Decocker vs. Putting hammer down w/ thumb
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Tamara...
How did youget used to it DA fire?
I HAVE a pair of Dan Wesson revolvers... both from Monson... a .44-HV, and a model 15-2HV .357(as far as I am conserned,(sp) the FINEST DA revolvers made, for "stock" DA pull, and crisp clean SA pull... (less than 2.5 lbs, SA, and only 5.5 or 6 lbs. DA...)
I have been shooting the 6" barrelled .357 for 14 years now, and TRIED many times to get good at DA shooting, but can't get the hang... (SA I can group EXTREMELY well at 50 yards... having shot it for 200 rounds a week, minimum, for all these years...)
any ideas for me? I could use the tips... (since the first shot from my CCW piece may need to be DA...) - I just got my permit, and am carrying a hi-cap Smitty 5904 pre-ban pre agreement 9MM...
How did youget used to it DA fire?
I HAVE a pair of Dan Wesson revolvers... both from Monson... a .44-HV, and a model 15-2HV .357(as far as I am conserned,(sp) the FINEST DA revolvers made, for "stock" DA pull, and crisp clean SA pull... (less than 2.5 lbs, SA, and only 5.5 or 6 lbs. DA...)
I have been shooting the 6" barrelled .357 for 14 years now, and TRIED many times to get good at DA shooting, but can't get the hang... (SA I can group EXTREMELY well at 50 yards... having shot it for 200 rounds a week, minimum, for all these years...)
any ideas for me? I could use the tips... (since the first shot from my CCW piece may need to be DA...) - I just got my permit, and am carrying a hi-cap Smitty 5904 pre-ban pre agreement 9MM...
I only have one pistol with a decocker, and I use it exclusively as it engages a firing pin block and decocks to an interim notch. I don't manually decock if I can possibly avoid it, just too easy for the hammer to slip.
I will say that the first time I used it was unnerving as hell. Hammer dropping fast ... yikes, but like many others I felt better once I understood the mechanism more clearly.
I will say that the first time I used it was unnerving as hell. Hammer dropping fast ... yikes, but like many others I felt better once I understood the mechanism more clearly.
Hemi:
I presume that Tamara's post cleared it up for you, but the Glock isn't "cocked and unlocked all the way". It's actually, if anything, the reverse of that - uncocked and locked.
Not trying to flame you, and I truly don't mind that you dislike the Glocks. But I would hate for someone to assume your post to be correct and thus decide to hate Glocks for the wrong reason (Apparently there are plenty of GOOD reasons to hate them according to some folks).
Actually, as I pointed out on another thread, I HATE GLOCKS, TOO. I hate them so much that I bought a G-27, a G-21, a G-23, a G-23C, a G-17, two G-19's and a G-34.
These suckers are TERRIBLE - but they're also habit forming. I just can't quit buying them.
Dawg23
p.s. I hate all of my Berettas, my Walthers, my Colts and my Lugers too.
I presume that Tamara's post cleared it up for you, but the Glock isn't "cocked and unlocked all the way". It's actually, if anything, the reverse of that - uncocked and locked.
Not trying to flame you, and I truly don't mind that you dislike the Glocks. But I would hate for someone to assume your post to be correct and thus decide to hate Glocks for the wrong reason (Apparently there are plenty of GOOD reasons to hate them according to some folks).
Actually, as I pointed out on another thread, I HATE GLOCKS, TOO. I hate them so much that I bought a G-27, a G-21, a G-23, a G-23C, a G-17, two G-19's and a G-34.
These suckers are TERRIBLE - but they're also habit forming. I just can't quit buying them.
Dawg23
p.s. I hate all of my Berettas, my Walthers, my Colts and my Lugers too.
Ruben Nasser
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IMHO 
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If DA pistol has decocker: use it!!
If don't (as in CZ75): ease the hammer VERY carefully for condition 2 carry!!
In both cases: POINT IN A SAFE DIRECTION!!
For SA carry: carry cocked and locked, when you make sure gun is empty, dry fire to decock
Glocks: condition 1, appropriate holster, and don't worry at all
:If DA pistol has decocker: use it!!
If don't (as in CZ75): ease the hammer VERY carefully for condition 2 carry!!
In both cases: POINT IN A SAFE DIRECTION!!
For SA carry: carry cocked and locked, when you make sure gun is empty, dry fire to decock
Glocks: condition 1, appropriate holster, and don't worry at all
Um...Hemi:
Every single Glock ever manufactured has three (3) safeties. Each of these safeties must be disengaged before the pistol will fire.
If you want to gain a greater level of knowledge concerning the Glock safeties, you can go to glockmeister.com and look at Ben's descriptions (with animated schematics).
Stay safe,
Dawg23
Every single Glock ever manufactured has three (3) safeties. Each of these safeties must be disengaged before the pistol will fire.
If you want to gain a greater level of knowledge concerning the Glock safeties, you can go to glockmeister.com and look at Ben's descriptions (with animated schematics).
Stay safe,
Dawg23
Me have friend who insist(ed) on "Decocking" 1911-pattern pistols with the "pull trigger-arrest hammer with thumb" method...has NICE limp now...but that's okay...his TWIN BROTHER is a "Poster Child" for NOT letting idiots shoot metallic silhouette from the "Creedmoor" position-!!!-guess some people just shouldn't be left unsupervised with weapons of any kind..."Natural Selection" and all that....mikey357
The first time you 'decock' your handgun by 'thumbing' the hammer will the the last time you ever participate in an action pistol event.... There is no handgun designed to work that way. If you have a decocker, use it, and keep your finger off the trigger. If you have a 1911, then cock it and lock it. If you have a Glock, well there is no solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
Um Dawg...
if the gun has no "active" safeties, and "pulling the trigger" is all that you have to do to fire it, then I care NOT what you call it...
where's the lever that disengages that trigger, or blocks that hammer on a Glock?
if it's loaded, all you have to do is pull the trigger... it doesn't even have a grip safety...
if the gun has no "active" safeties, and "pulling the trigger" is all that you have to do to fire it, then I care NOT what you call it...
where's the lever that disengages that trigger, or blocks that hammer on a Glock?
if it's loaded, all you have to do is pull the trigger... it doesn't even have a grip safety...
Oh, don't misunderstand me, I carry my .45 cocked & locked. I was referring to those occasions when I need to put the hammer down, without firing the round in the chamber. When I'm carrying, I carry the 1911 the way it was made to be carried. It's just that sometimes, the decocker I had on my USP would certainly come in handy.
CastleBravo
New member
Sooo... I still don't get why you'd ever need to lower the hammer with a round in the chamber in a 1911. 
Um...Hemi:
I'm not sure you're ever going to catch on.
If you look at the post that precedes yours, you will see that 9X45 covers it pretty succinctly -"If you have a Glock, well there is no solution to a problem that doesn't exist".
You ask "Where's the lever that blocks the hammer on a Glock?" Glocks don't have hammers!
Stay safe,
Dawg23
I'm not sure you're ever going to catch on.
If you look at the post that precedes yours, you will see that 9X45 covers it pretty succinctly -"If you have a Glock, well there is no solution to a problem that doesn't exist".
You ask "Where's the lever that blocks the hammer on a Glock?" Glocks don't have hammers!
Stay safe,
Dawg23
All:
Can we please not get this one devolving into yet another "my gun can beat your gun up" thread? We've had entirely too many of those lately.
If someone doesn't want to buy a {insert your favorite gun here} they have that right. If you politely suggest that model, and they say "Nope, don't care for those", then just let it, you know, drop. You don't get points for conversions around here; these are pistols for heaven's sake, not religious denominations.
Thank you for your attention.
Carry on.
Can we please not get this one devolving into yet another "my gun can beat your gun up" thread? We've had entirely too many of those lately.
If someone doesn't want to buy a {insert your favorite gun here} they have that right. If you politely suggest that model, and they say "Nope, don't care for those", then just let it, you know, drop. You don't get points for conversions around here; these are pistols for heaven's sake, not religious denominations.
Thank you for your attention.
Carry on.
contender4040
New member
How about a new forum on this board.
Glocks----lov'um or leave'um.
Seems that there is no middle ground with that weapon.
Glocks----lov'um or leave'um.
Seems that there is no middle ground with that weapon.
I always use the decocker on my Sigs and Berettas. One thing I don't like about the CZ-75B is that while it can be fired DA/SA, there's no decocking lever. By pulling the trigger and lowering the hammer, you're also bypassing the firing pin safety because the trigger is pulled. So, if your thumb slips, boom. On something like a Sig, even if the sear were to break or somehow miss the safety intercept notch and the hammer hit the firing pin when using the decocker, the gun technically won't go off because of the firing pin safety. If you feel the need to drop the hammer on a gun without a decocker, how about unloading the round in the chamber first?
I would need to lower the hammer on a chambered round if I wanted to drop the magazine out, so I could replace the round I just chambered or if I need to extract the hollowpoints I keep loaded and load ball ammo for target practice. Although you may not need to do it very often, there are certainly circumstances when you need to lower the hammer on a chambered round. It's just not something that is a daily occurrence for me.
No offense to anyone, but I still cannot thing of any reason to thumb a hammer down on a chambered round in the 1911. On a 1911 whether the hammer is back or not has nothing to do with being able to drop the magazine, or rack the slide. I often need to change cartridges in my 1911s:
Starting from a cocked and locked position with an undesireable cartridge chambered; drop the magazine, insert new magazine with more desireable cartridges, flick off thumb safety, rack the slide, and the undesireable cartridge ejects and the new one gets chambered, flick on thumb safety. Obviously keep the finger clear of the trigger at all times, and keep the barrel pointed in a safe position.
Perhaps I am missing something as to why the hammer needs to be thumbed down
Starting from a cocked and locked position with an undesireable cartridge chambered; drop the magazine, insert new magazine with more desireable cartridges, flick off thumb safety, rack the slide, and the undesireable cartridge ejects and the new one gets chambered, flick on thumb safety. Obviously keep the finger clear of the trigger at all times, and keep the barrel pointed in a safe position.
Perhaps I am missing something as to why the hammer needs to be thumbed down
Dropping the hammer on a live round with your thumb is asking for an ND. It's only a matter of time.
It's a BAD IDEA. Big time.
If the gun is meant to be carried hammer-down on a live chamber, there'll be a mechanism for doing that. Either automatically (DAO) or w/ a decocker. Any gun that requires you to ride the hammer down to remove the magazine is a dangerous POS and should be melted down before it hurts someone.
I typically will use the decocker and ride the hammer down at the same time. Voila!
- Gabe
It's a BAD IDEA. Big time.
If the gun is meant to be carried hammer-down on a live chamber, there'll be a mechanism for doing that. Either automatically (DAO) or w/ a decocker. Any gun that requires you to ride the hammer down to remove the magazine is a dangerous POS and should be melted down before it hurts someone.
I typically will use the decocker and ride the hammer down at the same time. Voila!
- Gabe
CastleBravo
New member
Drizzt,
Sorry, I still don't get it. I'm not trying to be a wiseass, I just can't think of a reason you'd need to lower the hammer on a loaded 1911 unless you want to put a hole in something. And the loaded gun by my bed is a Colt Delta Elite.
Sorry, I still don't get it. I'm not trying to be a wiseass, I just can't think of a reason you'd need to lower the hammer on a loaded 1911 unless you want to put a hole in something. And the loaded gun by my bed is a Colt Delta Elite.