"D.C. Metro police officers are using new behavioral profiling"

You can cry about it all you want, all I know is that we have not suffered another terrorist attack yet so the government is doing something right, and I doubt any of you have been "profiled" so why are you taking it so personally?

Dont let what you read in the papers get to you, the press is trying to push there own agenda, thats an old story. If your not individualy effected by what you read or you have never seen it happen then whats the cause for immediate concern?
 
You can cry about it all you want, all I know is that we have not suffered another terrorist attack yet so the government is doing something right
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Some people will go along with tyranny at home if there's "terrorist attacks". Of course who has the incentive to engineer the terrorist attacks? Who gets more power and more control? The government does. And that's the prime goal of the government, to have as much power and control over our lives as it can. That's why government needs to be kept in check.

Some people are willing to go along with the tyranny because the fact that a building hasn't blown up in 3 years is proof enough to them that security is more valuable than liberty. It's really sad to hear this type of attitude from a gun owner of all people.


Who was Martin Niemöller and why should you care?

"In Germany they came first for the Communists
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me--
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
 
Some people will go along with tyranny at home if there's "terrorist attacks".
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What tyranny? Tyranny is keeping you down? I didnt think so
Who gets more power and more control? The government does. And that's the prime goal of the government, to have as much power and control over our lives as it can.
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Thats the primary goal of the Communists, Liberals, socialists and anybody to the far left, BIG GOVERMENT AND CONTROL OF THE COMMON CITIZEN.
Some people are willing to go along with the tyranny because the fact that a building hasn't blown up in 3 years is proof enough to them that security is more valuable than liberty
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once again.. what tyranny? And a building not blowing up in 3 years is not a big deal to you? so you would rather be terrorized and threatened with bloodshed to bow to these Arab terrorists than have your so called "liberty" as if you are being oppressed
It's really sad to hear this type of attitude from a gun owner of all people.
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No whats really sad is youR attitude and denial. You give the government no credit for your protection and its because of the government that you are free. Be glad that you have people like me who volunteer to serve to protect people like you.
 
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Yes, I can see it now .... Mr. Bean goes to DC. Now if I can just find Rowan Atkinson's phone number ....
 
Some people see Tyranny in every corner, at every turn.
A speed limit sign, Tyranny
a Public School building, Tyranny
an Airport, Tyranny
a Tax code, Tyranny
a street improvement, Tyranny

The bottom line is some people "just don't want to be told what to do", period. They reap the benefits of living in a society, yet some want none of the responsibilities that go hand in hand with it.

jmho
 
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<Some people see Tyranny in every corner, at every turn.
A speed limit sign, Tyranny
a Public School building, Tyranny
an Airport, Tyranny
a Tax code, Tyranny
a street improvement, Tyranny

The bottom line is some people "just don't want to be told what to do", period. They reap the benefits of living in a society, yet want none of the responsibilities that go hand in hand with it.

jmho>

Generally speaking, very well said. I'm fairly certain though that I see just a wee bit of tunnel vision included, aka blanket statement implications. While it may be true in some instances, the following edited version would be just as true...

< The bottom line is some people "just don't want to be told what to do", period. They reap the benefits of living in a society, and yet excercise all of the responsibilities that go hand in hand with it.>
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WADR, you may be speaking of the welfare state mentality people. You're preaching to the choir here. I doubt anyone would agree with you except other LEO's. But if you think about it, since you guys pretty much only deal with scumbags, I can see where your mindset comes from.
 
What tyranny? Tyranny is keeping you down? I didnt think so
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You understand that our lawbooks are ten times the size they were twenty years ago, don't you?

Thats the primary goal of the Communists, Liberals, socialists and anybody to the far left, BIG GOVERMENT AND CONTROL OF THE COMMON CITIZEN.
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You could just as easily put Republicans, neo-cons, warhawks and the Christian Right in that sentence. These are all just phony political terms that mean nothing. There is no right and left, there's just pro-tyranny and pro-freedom.

once again.. what tyranny? And a building not blowing up in 3 years is not a big deal to you? so you would rather be terrorized and threatened with bloodshed to bow to these Arab terrorists than have your so called "liberty" as if you are being oppressed
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It's all fake. It's all a show to get us to submit to government authority. Nobody on this board is afraid of Arab terrorists. The only people afraid of Arab terrorists are soccer moms. I don't trust the government to keep me safe and neither should you.

No whats really sad is youR attitude and denial. You give the government no credit for your protection and its because of the government that you are free. Be glad that you have people like me who volunteer to serve to protect people like you.
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Government by its very nature is not congenial to the cause of liberty, it needs to be kept in check. And when we have a runaway, out of control government like we do right now it needs to be fought. If the tyranny gets bad enough it will come to nothing less than a second revolution. Which side are you going to be on?
 
Government by its very nature is not congenial to the cause of liberty, it needs to be kept in check. And when we have a runaway, out of control government like we do right now it needs to be fought. If the tyranny gets bad enough it will come to nothing less than a second revolution. Which side are you going to be on?
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I agree with you on that but I diagree with your opinion that the left and right are completely the same. I dont think Bush or is administration is perfect, in fact that have major flaws but I think they are a better choice than the other side. Problem is our options are so limited. You didnt vote did you? you seem to be more of an anarchist, if you are do you really think that life would get better if there was no law?
 
TheeBadOne
Some people see Tyranny in every corner, at every turn.
A speed limit sign, Tyranny
a Public School building, Tyranny
an Airport, Tyranny
a Tax code, Tyranny
a street improvement, Tyranny

The bottom line is some people "just don't want to be told what to do", period. They reap the benefits of living in a society, yet some want none of the responsibilities that go hand in hand with it.
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True, some people just don't want to be told what to do, and often not without good reason. It all depends who's captain of the ship, how competent he is, and where he is trying to take you.

Speed limit signs make perfect sense on some roads - others not necessarily so at all.
Public school buildings are just fine; as long as I am not olbliged to pay for them regardless of whether or not my children attend them.
The Federal tax code is certainly tyrannical. It is also a form of stealing.
Street improvements are great - as long as they are in fact improvements, and not just a way to siphon off some public money into the hands of incompetent private contractors.

Some of the measures taken or proposed to reduce the chances of any more attacks on our soil would make sense - if they were accompanied by something rather more intense than the "9/11 Commission", with some actual consequences for those who aided a group of murderers, continue to let more in, and fail to purge those already here.

As it stands it is apparent that all of us are the potential enemy of the State, and are to be treated as such.
 
Are you?

You didnt vote did you? you seem to be more of an anarchist, if you are do you really think that life would get better if there was no law?
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I think we have far too many laws. We break laws everyday without even knowing it. One of the easiest ways to break a population is to turn everyone into a criminal. I voted for Badnarik.

Most of the Republicrats support expanding the fire breathing serpent that is our government even further.

I kind of get disturbed being labled as an anarchist for not supporting a colossal Federal government with some State governments not far behind. There are other options besides spending ourselves into serfdom. Restoring limited constitutional government is one of them and that's what I support.
 
TheeBadOne,

I have driven on thousands of miles of public roads, over a period of almost ten years - with no speed limit whatsoever. Millions of others did and still do too (some of them were no doubt civil engineers).

I do not have to be a civil engineer to know how fast to drive a motor vehicle on every single stretch of road in the country. For the same reason I do not have to be a qualified livestock producer, food processor, foodhandler and chef to take fish & game, store and cook meals out of them - or anything other foodstuffs to the same ends for that matter.
 
I do not have to be a civil engineer to know how fast to drive a motor vehicle on every single stretch of road in the country.
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So what you are saying is that you are basing speed limits on your "opinion" of how fast you can handle a car on a road, not on any scientific data, measurements, formulas, the number and configuration of traffic lanes, density and type of development, the amount of on-road parking, access arrangements to properties, the presence or otherwise of traffic signals, the accident patterns that have occurred, pedestrian and bicycle traffic, amount of traffic typically on the street, roadway characteristics (length, width, lanes and visibility), curbside parking practices and number and type of driveways, type of area (residential, commercial, offices, recreational, etc.), etc.



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"You understand that our lawbooks are ten times the size they were twenty years ago, don't you?"

That must be the Braille edition. After all, justice is blind. ;)

John
 
"Would you enjoy living in a police state under constant martial law?"

No I wouldn't and no I didn't. I remember the 3 days of riots in D.C. in 1968 - there were about 1,000 buildings burned until the government got it under control. I remember the Va. State Police controlling the Va Tech campus a few years later after a couple of buildings were occupied and 3 more burned. Oh, and then there were the anti-war marches on D.C. that resulted in a heavy-handed crackdown. In one instance they herded masses of folks to RFK stadium and locked them up, but I think most of them got off later.

I haven't decided which is worse - the authorities taking over or the bad guys taking over. Somewhere there is a balance, but it's hard to find.

John
 
<I haven't decided which is worse - the authorities taking over or the bad guys taking over. Somewhere there is a balance, but it's hard to find.>

Something missing there. Something important. Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?
 
BadOne - many states have adopted and given force of law to the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices' recommendation that speed limits be based on the 85th percentile speed on a given roadway in absence of other factors.

That's essentially mandating a poll of every driver's opinion on how fast they can handle a car on the road, and adopting the opinion of the preponderance of drivers.
 
No I wouldn't and no I didn't. I remember the 3 days of riots in D.C. in 1968 - there were about 1,000 buildings burned until the government got it under control. I remember the Va. State Police controlling the Va Tech campus a few years later after a couple of buildings were occupied and 3 more burned. Oh, and then there were the anti-war marches on D.C. that resulted in a heavy-handed crackdown. In one instance they herded masses of folks to RFK stadium and locked them up, but I think most of them got off later.

I haven't decided which is worse - the authorities taking over or the bad guys taking over. Somewhere there is a balance, but it's hard to find.
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That's what they do. They use a small group to demonize the rest of the legitimate protestors. They tell the police to stand back until things get bad enough, then they release them. Then they have their crackdown and keep control. All across the country since the WTO protest in Seattle you see cities putting up ordinances against protesting and "free speech zones". It's not our republic anymore, we're gonna have to fight to take it back.
 
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