"D.C. Metro police officers are using new behavioral profiling"

As a cop in DC , you're making too much of it. I am not on Cap. Hill and I am not in G.Town. I work "East of the river" the worst district in the whole country.

Last week my friends were chasing a vehicle where the BG was firing a long gun at them from the sunroof. They stopped a carjacking in progress. Here, they shoot at us all the time. Not with .22's, but with AKs. You should have seen new year's eve.

Having said that Metro Transit Police are Federal. They can pretty much do as they please and get away with it. Our Dept. has been castrated. We can not chase vehicles.

We watch as all the other agencies drive by, code 1, chasing the BG. Our WC radios "do not engage."

When we stop and pat you, we must file a report for stop and frisk and, believe me, it is reviewed, not only by IAD, but by the Feds.

We don't play with that **** because it will cost you your job, not to mention a civil suit.

DC is different now, get used to it. We are out here so that YOU will go home alive...

-Best Coop

Oh yeah, I live in VA :)
 
Thats the primary goal of the Communists, Liberals, socialists and anybody to the far left, BIG GOVERMENT AND CONTROL OF THE COMMON CITIZEN.
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You could just as easily put Republicans, neo-cons, warhawks and the Christian Right in that sentence. These are all just phony political terms that mean nothing. There is no right and left, there's just pro-tyranny and pro-freedom.
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Amen to that Psychosword!
 
Coope de Ville - oh lawdy. Although you're well meaning, let's look at it:

DC is different now, get used to it.
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No, that's precisely the point. If we "get used to it", then it will spread and become commonplace and pervasive, and thus runs 180 degrees counter to what our country was founded on.

We are out here so that YOU will go home alive...
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I understand what you're saying. But that is precisely the wrong idea in the context of this discussion about a city with a de facto gun ban. The whole point is, we the citizens don't need you to protect US. We need US to protect us, but those citizens that live in DC are deprived the right (means) to protect themselves by the politicians who have disarmed them, then provided LEOs who canNOT always protect you, but CAN certainly deprive you of your civil rights.
 
FirstFreedom

I agree with you 100%. But...

The citizens of DC are too far gone and hopeless.

Let us babysit them until a new cycle can begin.
 
TheeBadOne
So what you are saying is that you are basing speed limits on your "opinion" of how fast you can handle a car on a road, not on any scientific data, measurements, formulas"
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Yes; as I also do not need someone to do a scientific bacterial analysis on a trout fillet, a chicken, a pork chop, a beef steak, an egg, red beans or a head of cabbage, etc to know how long I can store them, raw or cooked, at what temperature, for how long, how to cook it, at what temperature, for how long. Etc.

the number and configuration of traffic lanes, density and type of development, the amount of on-road parking, access arrangements to properties, the presence or otherwise of traffic signals, the accident patterns that have occurred, pedestrian and bicycle traffic, amount of traffic typically on the street, roadway characteristics (length, width, lanes and visibility), curbside parking practices and number and type of driveways, type of area (residential, commercial, offices, recreational, etc.), etc.
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Most of these do not apply to the type of roads where a speed limit is not necessary. Let's not swing from one extreme to the other; obviously there is sound basis to have a speed limit in a residential area, on city streets, and even some stretches of highways.

But for the sake of arguement, the context of my point, we can take any 50 mile stretch of the highways I speak of. While there is no speed limit, it is not possible to drive any car or any motorcycle at say 130mph, safely around all bends, at all merger points, or in all kinds of traffic. It called for judgement on the part of the vehicle operator.

Likewise, some of the "rural" roads in the same country where most of the time a speed limit of approximately 60 mph applied. You could not ride any motorcyle or drive any car at 60 mph - and negotiate every corner, intersection or other hazard. There was the not infrequent possibility of a bicycle rider (or three), slow moving vehicle like a farm tractor, even horse-drawn carts. Judgement applied again.
 
Coop de Ville - Thanks and good luck. I used to live in Rockville and still read the Post almost every single day. I can't believe the number of 12-year-olds stealing cars for joy rides (and worse) and you're not allowed to chase them according to the Post. Sigh. We took the 'shortcut' through your area going to a Redskins' game a month or so ago. It looks nice at 10 a.m. on Sunday. :)

"...the WTO protest in Seattle ..."

Looked like a freaking riot to me. Whatta buncha idiots. Protest to me is signs, sit-ins, marches, speakers, etc. No burning, no looting, no broken windows.

"Bueller?"

He was last seen digging through trash cans on Bourbon Street looking for discarded beer cups. A little here, a little there and pretty soon he's got a full cup. :barf: I hear he's looking for a job as a professor of constitutional law. :eek:

"Something missing there. Something important."

Would you like to phone your lifeline? Buy a vowel? I could help you out, but you're so close to the true answer.

John
 
No, I meant that lawful citizens were not considered at all. You mention authorities and bad guys and nothing else. As if citizens have no bearing on whats going on.

Its like the fire triangle. Fuel, air, and heat (or ignition). Take away any one and you have nothing.
 
People still read the "Washington Joke"? It's not like the LEO's are sitting around trying to think up ways to make our lives miserable, they're thinking of ways to make our lives safer. Their job isn't a piece of cake either. I am always situationally aware no matter where I go. If an officer stops to ask me some questions I'll be more than happy to cooperate and he/she will quickly realize that I am not a threat, then we'll both go our separate ways after I thank them and wish them a safe day. It's the world in which we live in. What I cannot stand is when people catch attitudes with a police officers just because they may be inconvenienced in the course of them doing their jobs. I've encountered an officer that seemed to me a little "Gung-Ho" and on a power trip, but that did not stop me from answering "yes sir", "no sir". He was several years younger than I but I still had the respect to address him as sir.
 
So what is the true answer? :rolleyes:

I know most LEO's are trying to help and thats probably why most get into it in the firt place, a desire to help and make things better, which is admiriable. But power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely plus coupled with the fact that most of their work involves scumbags with bad attitudes they predictably stick to the book and err on the side of caution. Thats not good for the general populace and gets them stepped on inadvertantly usually but there's the bad apples that just enjoy the power and go too far.

The overall effect of an unchecked system as this is the mindset of the good guys and the bad guys, with no consideration for the lawful citizens. Now that they're profiling it sets a bad precedent. The precedent being that anyone who doesn't act like a sheep is suspicious, jeesh. Soon they'll come to the conclusion that even people that would look them in the eye are suspicious because looking one in the eye can be described as a challenge, thus suspicious and profiled. See the downward spiral? Psychosword is correct to question as he does. I realize that its not the LEO's fault! The administration sets the standards and MO that the guys have to work under. When good citizens do not stand up and question and/or resist the intrusions, nothing will change except the speed at which our country and rights are diminishing. When you don't say no, its the same as saying yes and set a socially acceptable pattern of possible abuse. Darn. Expect it to get worse.

I was watching COPS the other day and I'm sure I heard a little German talk in background. :eek:
 
Edward

What exactly has happened to you? Were you abducted in the middle of the night by men with black masks and beaten and handcuffed for no reason.

Your image of how we operate on the streets is way off base. We investigate. If we don't have OBVIOUS probable cause, we're not even going to waste our time with you. If you want to rant and rave, I'll tell you to have a nice day.... If you want to push the D/O, fine, I'll take the lockup. And you can pay out with your $10.

It sounds like you would prefer no police at all. Or, just the kind that come after the crime to write down all the information of what happened.
 
1BadF350
People still read the "Washington Joke"? It's not like the LEO's are sitting around trying to think up ways to make our lives miserable, they're thinking of ways to make our lives safer
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Police agencies are a branch of government - be it local, county, or state. But government it is. If government wants to make the life of it's citizens "safer", it needs to take measures to keep the threat out of the country, and remove the ones - as many as possible - who have already managed to get in. Not try and change the relationship between itself and it's citizens.

Police agencies have a hard job because they are being used as a buffer between citizens and a government, which instead of doing what it is mandated to do, has it's interest and our money in other things. This compounds their already ridiculous predicament in the face of an over-legislated and regulated environment.
 
<What exactly has happened to you? Were you abducted in the middle of the night by men with black masks and beaten and handcuffed for no reason.>

Pretty much.
 
Interesting that the distinction isn't being made between suspect profiling and competent individual observations. Profiling, has tended to be based, at best on behavioral and pyschological research, but too often on social mythology, current fears or simple bias. Effectively, what is does is to blind the less competant LEO people to anything not within the profiling guidelines, or worse, subject any innocent party who meets some 'list' to undue harassement.
An example of the extreme liability of 'suspect profiling' was the mess with the DC snipers, Atlanta bombings- overemphasis on this technique seems to have wasted and redirected LE resources into blind alley's.
Concerning problems with innocents being tagged, yes it happens and considerably more than is necessary. It's one of the current trends in the courts, which has gone a long way to ensuring bad public relations between LE and the public. For example, when I was involved with a past ex, we were routinely pulled over because "a white male+Indian female+expensive SUV with tinted windows=mule/dealer. At least in parameters of the profiling in use at the time, by that particular operation. Here on the Highline, the profiling (due to meth) has gotten out of hand in regards to the bikers. It's reached a point where yuppies, farmers and such who buy the Harley's and go to tour, cannot pass through the towns on the eastern highline without being subject to search/stop or etc. And the entire situation has been premised on profiling (and revenue). Alas, and gosh...this nonsense does nothing to stop the meth infestation. Bored yuppies playing 'easy rider' or farmers who just wanted a Harley, or loose lawyers with money...aren't usually the people cooking the cold meds and fertilizers.
Concerning the contention that LEO's only deal with 'scum' and so can be forgiven 'attitudes'. No...even in the troublesome areas, the majority of contacts are with general public, and often for non-criminal matters.
But one thing that some LEO forget, is that their detention of people, is an imposition...to which they are not subject. When 'civilians' can walk into a LEO's house or car, and demand proof of who they are...than maybe there'll be some understanding of why everyone is not enraptured to be 'interviewed'.
 
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