CZ 75 ?

It's a different trigger system. The Omega is mechanically simpler, better right out of the box, and allows you to switch from decocker to safety with a simple part swap (though that part is not currently sold in the US). The original 75B trigger is rougher at the start, but smoothes out better than the Omega with extended use. The 75B is safety-only.
 
tsillik said:
What are the pro's and con's on safety vs decocker?
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Internally, the guns are almost identical so it boils down to matters of personal preference. There are some differences.

The safety-equipped models can be carried and started from cocked & locked (hammer back and cocked, with safety on), like a 1911 or Browning Hi-Power. Some folks prefer this method, as it gives you the SAME TRIGGER PULL with every shot. (Properly handling the DA/SA transition is a training issue, and not one that everyone masters.) The double-action trigger on the safety-equipped models is pretty long, so be sure you can handle that if you aren't using a C&L start.

The decocker-equipped models don't have a safety -- but don't really need one. The gun decocks a cocked hammer to the half-cock notch and that where you start from. That shortens the trigger pull slightly, and lightens it a bit.

Both guns have a firing pin block, which means it can't be made to fire by dropping it, hitting the hammer hard, etc., The trigger must be pulled fully to the rear. And while you can't do it in most of the gun games (like IDPA, or USPSA), you can also carry and start the safety-equipped CZs from the half-cock notch, for a shorter and lighter trigger pull. It's just as safe as using the decocker models.

As noted above, there are two FULL-SIZE variants of the 75B: the standard 75B (which has the safety) and the 75BD, which has the decocker.

If you like decockers, you may want to look at the CZ P-01 or PCR. These two guns have alloy-frames, and decockers. They are lighter and arguably just as accurate and reliable as the full-size models.

Various models of the metal-framed CZs are available with the new Omega-Trigger system, which as noted above, is simply and pretty nice, out of the box.

Also, look into the new CZ-P-07 or P-09, polymer guns with the same general feel. These guns are user-convertible from safety to decocker (or back).

CZ also makes single-action only guns, an ambidextrouse model (CZ-85B), one without a firing pin block (the CZ-85 Combat, which has other features like adjustable sights), and a Stainless Steel model with ambidextrous safeties.

Lots of choices...
 
Having owned a 75 decocker model for a few years, I recommend you just get the 75b safety model. It's still DA/SA, and allows you to carry or fire from the SA mode with a flick of the safety.

Too bad the P01 only comes in decocker. It's the only thing I don't like about it.
 
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chris in va said:
Too bad the P01 only comes in decocker. It's the only thing I don't like about it.
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The Custom Shop has been offering alloy-framed Compacts ( WITH safety rather than decockers) for a while. That, to me, is the ideal metal-framed compact CZ.

(Don't need no stinkin' accessory rail...:D)
 
If you want to use the safety version of the CZ75 at half cock, then you must be comfortable with manually lowering the hammer on a live round.

You can get a decocker in full size as well. The SP-01 Tactical...


The Omega trigger is nice out of the box... a gunsmith can tune it a bit, but it is newer, so the ways to really tune it well are not as well known. Aftermarket parts are not as prevalent, but available. (this may have changed since I last looked around though)

The standard trigger can be tuned up to be very nice, and with some aftermarket parts used as well, you can make it truly excellent, and one of the best. But it will cost you a few hundred bucks to do that.


As was mentioned, the P-07 and P-09 are poly versions of the 75, and can be swapped between a safety or decocker.
 
Here's the basic model breakdown of the full-sized CZ's:

75B - steel frame, no rail, safety only
75BD - steel frame, no rail, decocker only
85B - steel frame, no rail, ambi controls, safety only
85 Combat - steel frame, no rail, ambi controls, safety only, adjustable sights, no firing pin block
SP-01 - steel frame, rail, safety only
SP-01 Tactical - steel frame, rail, decocker only, night sights
P-09 - polymer frame, omega trigger, reversible decocker/safety

The safety vs decocker issue is entirely up to you. Most people would say to get the safety version because it allows you the option of carrying condition 1 (cocked & locked) or condition 2 (hammer down, round chambered). I prefer the decocker because I prefer condition 2 and I don't trust my stupid fingers to manually decock even to the half-cocked position.
 
An issue with 'safety only' pistols is lowering the hammer after loading, if the user wants a DA first shot. The hammer has to be held back and then lowered carefully, by hand, AFTER pulling the trigger.
The hazard is easy to imagine.
 
I'm a hipster when the safety vs. decocker issue. I know the safety is a more popular choice, but I much prefer a decocker-only DA/SA because I don't care to carry cocked and locked. A Beretta G-type, Sig standard configuration, those are my jam. So I love the 75-BD and P-01.
 
An issue with 'safety only' pistols is lowering the hammer after loading, if the user wants a DA first shot. The hammer has to be held back and then lowered carefully, by hand, AFTER pulling the trigger.
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It is only an issue in that one should not be complacent about doing it.

I have to do this on any IPSC stage starting in "option 1" (loaded chamber, hammer down). I grab the hammer with my left fore-finger and thumb, tightly and then press the trigger and gently lower the hammer.

I can do it one-handed very easily if I try with an empty gun but, nonetheless, I would not risk it with a live round.

Muzzle in a safe direction.
 
Yes, it can be manually decocked safely, and plenty of people do it. The half-cock stop on a CZ actually makes it even safer, as you can manually go to half-cock with your thumb blocking the firing pin, and then release the trigger before releasing the hammer. I just trust myself less than I the decocker + firing pin block combo. It's all up to the user as to which is preferable.
 
I was a safety officer at IDPA matches for a number of years. During some of those matches, we had shooters starting with non-decocker guns. I never witnessed or heard OF an accident while decocking. I have decocked many, many hundreds (arguably thousands) of times without an accident.

Decocking is a basic gun handling skill, and there are several ways to do it that make hazard and risk virtually non-existent -- one of them being positioning a fingertip from the off hand UNDER the hammer as it's lowered. Others use the off hand to hold and control the hammer as the strong hand presses the trigger. It's NOT rocket science.

I've never understood why people are so concerned about decocking. People would be better served to pay more attention to what happens the first time they pull that trigger after a reload -- but that never seems to bother them -- Especially if they're starting from the holster. That part of the firing motion is, to my thinking, far less controlled -- and its the part of the process where you often see rounds fired too soon and far away from the intended target.
 
Independent George said:
Yes, it can be manually decocked safely, and plenty of people do it. The half-cock stop on a CZ actually makes it even safer, as you can manually go to half-cock with your thumb blocking the firing pin, and then release the trigger before releasing the hammer. I just trust myself less than I the decocker + firing pin block combo. It's all up to the user as to which is preferable.
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With CZs, that firing pin block works when you're lowering the hammer, too.

As soon as the hammer starts to move and you release the trigger (and that can be done before you reach the half-cock position), the instant you release the trigger the firing pin block is functioning. Unless the trigger is kept fully to the rear, the gun cannot fire -- its automatic.

Being wary with anything you do with a firearm is good practice -- it's a shame folks are not more wary at other times, too.
 
Being wary with anything you do with a firearm is good practice -- it's a shame folks are not more wary at other times, too.
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I try to be wary at all times. However I think some people are over-stating this a bit. If you have no intention of using the cocked and locked feature, then why wouldn't you just get a decocker equipped CZ? While I will 100% agree that done properly lowering the hammer manually should be very safe, I will also 100% agree that using the built-in decocker removes even that slight chance of slippage. Again, if you don't need cocked and locked, why not get a decocker model?
 
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