CZ 75 vs Glock 17

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Hello and thanks so much, but my claim at any sort of "expertise" is ONLY at consistently finding the supper table on time...especially if the wife has made cornbread!

Best to all.
 
Mr Camp,

Many shooters, myself included will turn to you when we end up scratching our heads.

Your sir are the 9mm Pistol Guru, indeed one of the foremost authorities on 9mm pistols.

If you dont mind, i would like to pm you to pick your brain regarding my Hi Powers some time. Would you mind very much?
 
Many compare the CZ feel to the HiPower...But to me, the HiPower grip, balance and pointability is so much better than the CZ75...which is part of the reason I got rid of the CZ75 and stayed with the HiPower. I also found the HiPower much easier to CCW.
The G17 is often criticized by those who dislike it for it's grip. For me, it points like a finger...when I raise it to my eye, the sights are lined up at whatever I am looking at.
I am currently experimenting with a 3.5lb Ghost Rocket connector in my G17, just because I can...and I am liking the trigger pull very much. This, even though the stock Glock trigger worked fine, and that is what I stayed with on my EDC, a Glock 30 45acp compact.
 
I owned a Glock 17 in the 90s and sold it. I've never missed it. the Glock went bang every time but felt like a brick in my hand. I was never able to shoot it as accurately as I can shoot a CZ.

I have a CZ 75 SA, a CZ75 Omega, a CZ 75 SP-01, a CZ 97 and a Kadet Kit. The CZs fit my hand perfectly, are accurate and reliable. They work for me.

YMMV.
 
Personally I think it's great,,,

...That we can't come to a consensus.

If we could then there would only be one handgun being made and sold,,,
Where would be the fun in that?

Aarond
 
I own both of these guns (17C & 75B)

I really like both of them but they are vastly different guns.

The finish and ergonomics of the CZ-75 is much better.

The Glock will shoot when filthy.

I can shoot both just as accurately. I suspect for most shooters, the single action trigger pull of the CZ helps them be more accurate than the trigger pull of the Glock.

Now that I've said that, let me say that 99% of the people that say they've witnessed a Glock crack are liars.

I've been shooting for 37 years and have never witnessed any gun crack.
I have shot competitively and for fun. I've shot at paper, and hunted with handguns. I can honestly tell you that a cracked frame is a rare thing.

Not that frames don't crack but most times they do its because someone is doing something they shouldn't be doing, as in going against manufacturers recommendations for the gun in question.


I absolutely love my CZ. It's one of my favorite target and plinking handguns.

When my life is on the line though, I carry a Glock.
 
Ok, my two cents, albeit a bit late to the game. I own a 75B SA and I've fired Glocks. I love my 75. It's built like a tank, never misfires, is extremely accurate, and fits my hand like it was made for it. Glocks, not so much. The grip angle is not natural for me and the trigger is, well, kind of mushy. They do have the advantage of being lighter than the 75B and, in addition, because they're ubiquitous, there are about a million accessories available for them. On balance, however, my loyalties remain with CZ.
 
I have a very early model G17 that I will never part with. The trigger (after quite of bit of tinkering) is actually very good. I love the G17's light weight, ability to be basically thrown around w/o worrying about rust or hurting the finish appreciably, and the reliabilty.

Someone said if your going to carry it, go with the Glock. If for range use, go with the CZ. I completely agree.

Obviously they are both top shelf pistols. Do yourself a favor - get both.
 
This is the only major failure I've observed with any Glock pistol during 11 years as police firearm instructor. I did not take the picture, but I know the police photographer who did and the owner of the pistol worked under my command. Glock replaced the slide as soon as they were made aware of it. My Glocks continue to work just fine as have the vast majority of them I've observed.
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the cracked breechface has been popping up a lot lately online.

glock says it's ok to dryfire in the manual, but they forgot to take into account the type of people that take things to the extreme, and dry fired them for too much without snapcaps.

supposedly the glock will be updating their manuals to mention the use of snapcaps. they already recommend their use in the armorer's course.


some people think glocks are magical creations that need no lube, no cleaning, and can be dry fired endlessly lol :)
 
Hello. Perhaps so, but in this case, no. The pistol was purchased shortly after 9AM on the day that it cracked. It was at the range a couple of hours later so that the officer could meet the department's mandatory qualification requirements before carrying the pistol. That is when it cracked. He is not a shooting enthusiast and if he dry-fired it at all, it was to acquaint himself with the trigger. Up until this time, he had never carried or owned a Glock.

Best.
 
In 9mm, both are fine pistols. Both can shoot thousands of rounds between cleaning. In .40, you could not give me a Glock. Call me a liar if you like, but I have witnessed several dozen Glock frames blow out over the yrs at my range. I will admit that it was the most used pistol of all the departments who used the range.
 
I've seen Glocks break. I've seen Sigs break. I've seen H&K's break. They're machines. Entropy happens.

That said, I've never seen a CZ break.

Of course, that could be due to a smaller sample size. I've simply seen far more of the aforementioned pistols in the field. CZ's are still a bit rare, particularly among LEO's.

I prefer the CZ. I find it easier to shoot well, and it handles some weird loads the Glocks don't seem to like. Do I worry that the Glock is going to blow up in my hand or pull another Reinsurance Treaty while we're not looking?

At least, I trust it not to blow up.

All said, I'm fully confident in the CZ's reliability. Pair that with what I consider to be better ergonomics, a better trigger, and better sights, and that's what I'm sticking with.
 
Hello. Perhaps so, but in this case, no. The pistol was purchased shortly after 9AM on the day that it cracked. It was at the range a couple of hours later so that the officer could meet the department's mandatory qualification requirements before carrying the pistol. That is when it cracked. He is not a shooting enthusiast and if he dry-fired it at all, it was to acquaint himself with the trigger. Up until this time, he had never carried or owned a Glock.
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for sure, right out of the gate like that, it's definitely a bad slide. it happens. at least he discovered it before he really needed the gun to work :)


glock's been putting out a lot of bad extractors for a while now too. i had to replace them in my gen3 g19 and my gen4 g23.

that company hasn't been the same since gaston's kids have been running it. can't blame the guy, he is getting on in years. unfortunately, his two sons and daughter don't take care of business like he did....
 
Both pistols are so different from each other. As disparate as a SIG P226 and a 1911. They appeal to different shooters and preferences.

Personally I never bought a CZ75 because neither the reach of the manual safety nor the DA trigger fits my hands. I've shot them on several occasions and always enjoyed shooting them. Though CZ75's aren't as accurate for me as they are for others. Its one of those pistols I just don't seem to shoot as well as I should (Beretta 92FS, S&W M&P, XD's being the others) compared to 1911's, Glocks, SIG Sauers, and 3rd Gen S&W autos. I also don't like the low profile slide which do not seem ideal for tap rack bang drills. And simply, every time I was tempted to get one the BHP always steered me away (which I've owned two). Another all steel 9mm capable of being carried cocked and locked. But much more compact, slim, elegant, fits my hand better, and shoots about as well.

The G17. Well, one of my all time favorites like all 9mm Glocks. A pistol thats really a joy to shoot when shooting fast and on the move. A target gun it is not but more than accurate enough for anything I'd demand from a service pistol. Easy to care for and easy/cheap to fix myself. No manual safeties or two different triggers to constantly fiddle with (which I've really come to prefer). A no BS fighting pistol. Even though there were other pistols I seemed to prize more it was usually a Glock next to me when I went to sleep. I soon realized the pistol I rely on to defend myself and my family is the pistol I should prize the most, which I do now.

Cracked slides? I'm not doubting Amin Parker. I'm sure it happened. 1911's have cracked slides to cracked aluminum SIG or Beretta frames after a lot of rounds. But it just isn't something that seems to be a prevalent complaint among people who've shot their Glocks a lot. There are a lot of Glocks out there. From LEO's, competition shooters, and they're probably the most popular rental pistols across this country. Glocks get shot a lot and get abused a lot. I just don't think it should be something to be worried about even if you plan to shoot a 100,000+ rounds through it. I just haven't seen supporting or circumstantial evidence to say that cracked slide should be a concern.

glock's been putting out a lot of bad extractors for a while now too. i had to replace them in my gen3 g19 and my gen4 g23.

that company hasn't been the same since gaston's kids have been running it. can't blame the guy, he is getting on in years. unfortunately, his two sons and daughter don't take care of business like he did....
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That may be the case. Cut a few corners here and there to improve their bottom line. It may be a wider industry wide problem as well. Most gun companies can't make them fast enough to satisfy demand these days. So couple that with trying to get them out to their distributors as fast as they can, overall QC suffers.
 
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That may be the case. Cut a few corners here and there to improve their bottom line. It may be a wider industry wide problem as well. Most gun companies can't make them fast enough to satisfy demand these days. So couple that with trying to get them out to their distributors as fast as they can, overall QC suffers.
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yep. happens every time a democrat gets elected lol

although, this time, sales seem to be higher than in the past, and consequently guns with issues.

same thing is happening with ammo. people are getting squibs, kabooms from overcharged loads, and duds with factory ammo. recalls are not more common than they used to be too.

Obozo is probably the firearms salesman of the decade :eek:
 
I'm an older guy and have bounced around with the 1911 and BHP and a few CZ75s and even the similar FEG P9R DA/SA. Still love them but I've slowly grown to appreciate the Glock over the years and believe it makes more sense as a carry gun and home defense. (I prefer the full size G17 and G22.) Any of these fine pistols will do the job but light weight, extra capacity, simplicity and ruggedness of the Glock plus its high reliability (not that the former models are bad in any way) give it the edge.


It is a pleasure to see comments here from Mr. Stephen A. Camp, thank you! And thank you for your newly revised edition of The Shooter's Guide to the Browning Hi Power. What a wonderful book! I read it cover to cover...
 
Both are Classic's right up there with the Hi Power, Luger, 1911, and so on. I have both and neither one is going anywhere. They are very different animals that do very much the same thing. Both shoot rounds pretty much everytime you pull the trigger, will put them in very small holes if you do your part, and will probably outlast you and I. To me the CZ 75 represents "Old World" craftsmanship. It is all steel. Very ergonomc grip. And offers either cocked and locked or DA/SA carry. And for a large gun it is surprisingly trim with the slide inside the frame rails design.
The Glock is the epitome of the modern firearm. Polymer for light weight. Super hard tennifer finish for longevity. And just a little over 30 parts to the whole gun. And one trigger pull only which simplifies instruction. God this is tough because they are such excellent pieces. I'd give the nod to the Glock for general carry. It's light weight and pull, point, shoot manual of arms is as simple as it gets. Tons of parts for pretty much making the gun whatever you want it to be. The CZ is as mentioned is heavier. But it's ergonomics, and choice of trigger style offer allot of versitility.
Can't call this one. I have both and will hold onto both. The CZ is a fine home defense, range, and service pistol. But the Glock to me just is a better package for all around use. My Glock is around allot. The CZ sits in the safe. Mr. Chuck Taylor has a G17 with over 300,000 rounds through it. So we know it will go the distance. So to me the Glock is more practical. But the CZ is like a 1911 or a j-frame. everybody should own one. Haven't heped much have I?
Like I said really tough choice.
 
Having owned neither a Glock or CZ, it has been my general observation that Glocks, improperly handled, will have unintended discharges, whereas a CZ with a decocker is not so prone to AD. Which leads me to Walther, one of which I do have with the same type of decocker mechanism. The decocker is old engineering, but still highly preventative of mistakes anyone can make on occasion. The Glock pistol is much improved safety-wise in this respect by the addition of an NYPD trigger spring with a 12 pound pull. At the short distances of most personal attacks and by aiming with the barrel and not the sights, this is an optimal setup which is probably more efficient than the decocker system.
 
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