"Cruiser shotguns"... Opinions?

Well let's see dave, you invite me to come to 'your' town and 'step to your door' with my pg sg vs your standard stock sg and see how well mine holds it's merits against yours? Sure sounds like a call out and a threat to me, and by your own reasoning that would make you an idiot.

Let's look at your profile:

Biography:
I am a borderline redneck from Wa. I am going to alaska soon for work.
Location:
Marysville Washington
Interests:
shooting, hunting messing around.
Occupation:
none at the mome, soon to be a fish cannery worker.

Hmm, I think the 17 year old kid who thinx (sic) he's got all of the answers to life would fit that bio pretty well. Or perhaps you are much older and just living at home with mommy trying to look cool on gun forums with your super cool name 'daves got guns'....really, how many? Obviously a pg sg isn't one of them huh?

Try taking your own advice, if you don't like what I have to say, then just ignore it instead of publicly challenging me to an armed confrontation at your front door...stupid, stupid, stupid...run Forrest, run.
 
Wow...won't be long before this one gets locked:)

I am on record as not being a big fan of the shotgun for defensive use...I think there are better options today

that being said....

I can't see any advantage to a pistol grip other than shortening the overall length for transport(and looking cool)

For the first I would suggest a folding stock of some kind...for the second...well.......never mind;)

Many years ago I did some informal experimentation with a moss500

Nobody liked shooting it with the PG and using the sites

Firing it from the hip had some serious CDI factor, but there was a marked tendency to shoot high...we found "aiming" at the bad guys feet to work ok

Most all shotguns have too long a stock for serious defensive use

But removing it entirely just causes new problems

I put a youth stock on my 590 and it is just about perfect...except that it is still a shotgun:D
 
ok, can't leave this one alone...ealier on this thread, I stated that I had a PG shotty in .410, and that I believe they have their place. I also stated that I prefer to shoot full stock shotguns whenever possible. That being said. I bought the PG shotgun close to 20 years ago, and have used it regularily ever since. I have used a wheelchair since I was 20, and pushing through the woods with a full sized shotgun is no easy feat. the PG with a sling makes a world of difference, and is great for squirrel or rabbit hunting. At this point I usually hunt with a pistol, but the old PG .410 still gets used several times a year. So, again I say everything has a place, what is less than ideal for some may be just the ticket for someone else. Can't we all just get along? :)
 
I am sure that by now, some one has told you to NOT hold it up as if it were full stocked, and sight down the barrel. If ya do, you will know almost immediately that I was truthing you. :D
 
Hmmm...

Hey guys, thanks for the advice.

I am not quite sure what got everybody so stirred up.
My experience here is that while people will debate on technical issues,
the members tend to treat each other politely.

I certainly hope we can continue in that spirit.
It's one of the things that I really like about the Firing Line forums.

Anyway, after so many came out against the "cruiser models", I am currently
interested in checking out the Remington 870 Express® Synthetic 18".

I am going to stop by my local gun shop when I have time and see
how well it fits me and if I feel comfortable handling it. :rolleyes:
 
I see PG shotties as having a very very defined space in the useful realm.

First as a under the counter gun. if you are in a small store, like a jewelry store or pawn shop or a liquor store, look how much room there is between the counter and the shelves or walls. This is where a PG shottie makes sense.

Entry team. as a breaching gun or a secondary weapon for a team member. (even tho, now you will see most of these at least using an 11 inch pull stock for better recoil control.

PPD, AKA executive protection, the need for a big gun to show up immediately from a concealed place when the poo really hits the rotating ventilation device.

I used to use a folder in my old truck for a truck gun as it was small and able to fit where i needed it. after using it for a bit, I have gone to a speedstock pistol grip/with a 12 inch pull. very useful, very strong, and easier to control recoil with.
 
+1 On the Copstock , wire folder, made by Knoxx.

They claim the recoil reduction to be 54% or better. Personally , it feels more like 35-40% reduction. Either way, I can handle shooting full power buck and slugs through it with no pain. The reduction in recoil is significant. Try one , you may like it. To me it is the best of both worlds. Want more recoil reduction and don't mind a longer OAL then maybe the SpecOps stock is your ticket.
 
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