CPL Too Easy?

[Corrections Cop]

To the OP's defense the pistol class in MI is pretty easy (nothing wrong with that), I'm glad I have had extra training, throught the MDOC and the Police Academy. You still have to pass a BG test and get approval from the county gun board. Also Michigan is a "Shall Issue State".

 

[Frank Ettin]

...There are many things in our society that scare me. Idiots with concealed weapons is one of them. What frightens me more though is a government that will deny my right to live as a free man to protect me from idiots...

On the other hand, a great many people who vote are more scared of the idiot with a gun than of the government. We might all want to think about ways we might change that (at least a little).

 

[Come and take it.]

If we consider todays "idiots" as horridly dangerous to carry concealed we would have been horrified at the firearms safety practices of our forefathers.

 

[Frank Ettin]

If we consider todays "idiots" as horridly dangerous to carry concealed we would have been horrified at the firearms safety practices of our forefathers.

That was then and this is now -- different social norms and different population density.

 

[sourdough44]

The class or training to get a CCL is just a start. No matter how short or long the class is, it's your neck & wallet out there if you screw something up. A carrier really has to keep their mind about them as they go about daily carry.

Look at the FL non-res process. I thinks it's just a money maker for the State. If you screw something up the State isn't in trouble, the carrier may be though.

 

[SPEMack618]

I would glady take my chance with untrained "idiots" who concealed carry than some other idiot voted into office attempting to tell me what level of training I "need" to excercise a Constitutional right.

That being said, I'm still pro- training. Make that pro- good training.

The pistol familiarization course you do at Ft. Jackson for your non-combat MOS doesn't qualify as good training, in my opinion.

 

[Gaerek]

I would glady take my chance with untrained "idiots" who concealed carry than some other idiot voted into office attempting to tell me what level of training I "need" to excercise a Constitutional right.

I don't think I could have said that better myself.

Training is good, but it's the responsibility of the gun owner to get the appropriate training. If someone does something dumb with a gun, whether they had training or not, it's on them.

Again, I live in AZ where MANY people don't have a permit, but carry anyway (Constitutional Carry). And you just don't see too many instances of people carrying a gun, and doing dumb things. Contrast that to someone who goes through the mandatory training, now has his card, and thinks, "Well, that's all I needed to carry, I'm good to go!" Not all people are like that, but I know there are some, and have met them.

 

[REDBULL600]

In Missouri, for a CCW permit you must qualify with both a Revolver and semi-auto at 7yrds shooting 70rds with each. You get "graded" on your last 20rds, 15 of them have to be in the sweet spot.

The Course instructor also posts each attendee on Facebook with their qualifying target. With permission of course.

You also complete the NRA Pistol Safety course, at least With the instructor I went with. Im not sure if that is standard with all courses in MO.

I also didn't start carrying till I completed a Basic Combat Pistol course.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Heck, when I took the class, there were only 3 rules.

1. Don't shoot the instructor. That's a definite no-no.

2. Don't shoot a classmate. That's also extremely frowned upon.

3. Don't shoot yourself.

Looking back upon those who took the class, I seriously doubt they carry their weapon now. They probably carried it a few times then decided it was more trouble than it's worth.

One young fellow was showing me his 9mm Hipoint. He lamented that he thought he was getting a 45 and asked if I thought he could take it back. I told him I doubted it. I hope he's doing ok.

BTW, I strongly resent having to take a state mandated class in order to exercise a Constitutional guarantee. I don't know at which point we allowed ourselves to think this is government's business, but we erred.