Coyote ugly

Was at the ranch late at night last week and heard a large pack very close. I didn't see 'em, but it sounded like somewhere between 15-20. Made me a little nervous until I looked around and the horses just plain ignored them. Still, my Walther made me feel a little better. That got me to wondering: Has anybody ever heard of coyote predation on a healthy, adult human? As they get bigger and bolder, I'm thinking it's only a matter of time :( .
 
Capt: Not that I know of... I guess anything is possible though. My understanding is that their big cousins, grey wolves, which average 100lb, attack people much less frequently than bear, which is not real often.
 
My Coyote gun would be a Yugo SKS. The 7.62x39 is pretty much ballistically identical to the 30-30, Plus 10 shots in semi-auto, you cant beat that. Saw a case of 900 rnd FMJ's at the shop in 7.62x39, for $119, Not bad.
 
Sorry, I just can't accept the premise.

I understand it is popular to state - -
The 7.62x39 is pretty much ballistically identical to the 30-30 . . .
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Really, they are a bit farther apart than this indicates.
Remington factory figures show:
.30-30 - - - - 150 gr. RNSP -- MV: 2390 100 yd. vel: 1973 ME: 1902 100 yd. eng: 1296

7.62x39mm - 125 gr. PSP - - MV: 2365 100 yd. vel: 2062 ME: 1552 100 yd. eng: 1180

The .30-30's 25 grain heavier bullet, with the blunt round nose profile, starting at a similar velocity, not only has greater paper energy - - life experience demonstrates that it really does "hit harder."

One point I'll yield: Their trajectories up to about 150 yds is practically identical.
Compare for yourself at the Remington ammo site at:
http://www.remington.com/ammo/ballistics/ballistics.htm

It is easier to fit most any .30-30 with a good aperture sight than an SKS. The .30-30 has the advantage of being able to use 170 gr bullets, in case of need, as in very close range hunting, or if big hogs are the game.

Best,
Johnny
 
I also think it's interesting that the .357mag, from a lever action, is closer to the 7.62 x 39mm than the 30-30.

Buffalo Bore Ammo claims their 125gr. Gold Dot does 2298 fps from the Marlin 1894 w/ 18.5 inch barrel, within 67 fps of the Remington 7.62x39. :cool: The 180gr HCLFN does a claimed 1851 fps, putting it just under the 30-30 and way out past the SKS in my opinion. I don't know how the .357 holds up at distance but I'm very impressed with how the lil' fella does out of the muzzle.

I've owned an SKS before and thought it was a fine weapon. I think a lever .357 magnum would give it a run for its money and would probably group better on average.

Just wanted to throw that out there. I always hear the 30-30 and 7.62x39 being compared and think that the .357 needs to be in there as well.

JRLaws
 
But for coyotes, there is no such thing as overkill.
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Especially true if hide preservation is not important as I suspect it is not in this case.

What kind of ranges are you looking at and are the neighbor going to be down range where you've gotta worry about flying lead?

I'd think about a shotgun if you migh be getting shots in close - #4 buck shot will give you pretty good chances of hits out to twenty five yards or so and will pretty much guarantee destruction of that particular pest... But you're likely to not get that close with a wiley yodel dog unless you know he's gonna raid the hen house and you can watch from inside or a nearby shed - AND he's careless.

So I'd go with .223. Capable on coyotes at any range you can hit them in a vital oran at. Ballistic tips or hollow point bullets expand that capability. And on the plus side, it is also a lesser probability to cause problems downrange than other hi powered cartridges. It would be my choice.
 
My shot should be well under 100 yards and I need to drop it in it's tracks.
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the .30-30 with a light soft point will work perfectly for yotes inside 100

you should try a mouth call i love mine
 
If you shoot IDPA, I'd assume you reload, so heres my $0.02. I put myself through college hunting varmits and building cabinets (best 7 yrs ever). In that time I learned there is something magical about a .22 cal 50 gn ballistic tip bullet moving at 3,000 fps. They just stop where they stand. This recipe is generaly pushed through a 22-250 but 2500 fps with a 35 gn thin skined Hornet bullet does the same. I worked up this load by testing on 2 leter bottles full of water and they completely destroy them. The Hornets will not penetrate the back side. Try it.
~z
 
My youth was spent in Northern Minnesota...had a neighbor who purchased the then new 22 mag.

He was overheard saying one day "Yep, I've taken 48 deer with my first box of ammo".
To which someone asked "what happened to the first two rounds?"

His reply, "had to sight it in boys".

Up to a 100 yards, I would think the .22 mag would do its job. From a personal standpoint, I would lean towards a lever action in 357mag. Although the other calibers listed would work just fine!
 
How about an AR .223 with night scope :D.

If you lived near me, I'd have you covered with any and most of the mentioned rifles (I don't have a night scope yet, not that tactical but getting there :D ).

.223, 7.69, 30-30, 30-06, any of them should work. I wouldn't waste my time with any lower calibers.

I've never been yote hunting but from what I understand they will learn of your position if you keep it the same (and area) and you will have to de-human-scent yourself or stand upwind because they have a great sense of smell.

In NM they actually used cyinide(sp) darts and you would see "Danger, Cyinide in use" signs everywhere. You didn't go hiking in them woods that's for sure.

Wayne
 
Back when I worked for the Natl. Park Service, the US Bureau of Land Management was notorious for their use of strychnine laced bait. The poison didn't discriminate, and it traveled through the food chain several times over. Whatever it killed was eaten by something that was eaten by something, and all died in the end. Fish & Game, along with us, raised hell when we found a Golden Eagle dead from what was later found to be strychnine poisoning. Didn't do any good then, but I don't know if they still use it today or not. Seems like 'yotes are hear to stay.
 
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I use a .204 ruger, Most times it will drop them right there, but once in a while you'll get one that does the "chase my tail as I bite what hurts" dance, right before they fall over. Try calling them in with an adult male howl first, a young male howl second, a rabbit distress, then a pup distress. It mimicks 2 coyotes fighting over a rabbit, and boy do they come in quick when they hear that party going on. :D
 
alright yeah kinda old thread :rolleyes: but Im new to hunting yotes (or any hunting for that matter :) ) and also have a farm problem. Im basically used to target. Im wondering if a .270 would be "overkill". Ill be shooting at about 200-300 yards.... Dont really want to make a mess :barf: lol... Any sugestions would be nice. Thanks
 
Green, I wouldn't worry about the mess. Your .270 will do just fine. Buzzards don't care if it's a mess or not...

:), Art
 
Green, glad you pulled this one back to the top. One of my favorite subjects. I'd say the 270 will do the job just fine, 300yds is a good challenge everytime, but you can call em in alot closer. Ive called coyotes into pistol range a number of times. If you reload, pack a light bullet (thin skinned hp or ballistic tip) maving fast. Where are you located?
~z
 
im in rural wisconsin. Somethins been gettin our chickens and I think its the yotes. My dad has a nice collection but im 16 now so its time to get my own and Ive been looking at one but it only comes in .270 & 30-06. Just a cheapy- mossberg if youve heard of it but Ive been searching and nothing bad so far + Ill have some money for a lens... And oh yeah the red tail ive got out here would like th mess but my 7 y/o sis wouldnt :)
 
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Green--Unless you plan to use the rifle on big game also (by that I mean something larger than your average deer), I'd say go with something in the neighborhood of a .243. It's damn fast, very flat, and if you use something like a 55 gr. Nosler Ballistic tip, no coyote within 300 yds has a snowball's chance. And if you do use it for deer, the step-up to a heavier load is readily available. Plus, it's one of those rifles that you can go target shooting with, spend all day, and still say "I shoulda brought more ammo".
 
Ditto, 243 but I'm a big fan of the 22-250 for all the same reasons. Plus if you dont reload, you can get a "varmit box" of 50 rounds of high velocity 22-250 for just a bit more $ than a box of 20 243.
~z
 
Good call on the 22-250 as well. It's one of the best varment/small-medium game rifle out there. I'd say flip a coin--heads; .243 and tails; 22-250. Either way, you just can't go wrong.
 
The 17 hmr will kill it with eas if you have a well placed shot same thing goes with a 22 magnum. If you are going to shoot it anywear just to kill it (body shots) the 222 will do the job just fine here are some guns i would use if i would make a body shot .222 .223 22-50.243 or if you want to blow them up take it up with a 30 06
 
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