Coyote that should have got away!

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This is the hunting forum; not the "love all animals because they're cuddly" forum.
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I thought this was the "love all the animals because they're delicious" forum, but I suppose that coyote will be cuddly after it's tanned and stretched.

Either way, leadcounsel is entitled to his/her opinion, whether or not it is a reasonable one or not. Attacking him/her for being a bunny hugging idiot will not change him/her, it will simply justify and reinforce his/her erroneous assumption that we are all atavistic retards and convince him/her that all the animals really do love each other and scamper through the woodlands laughing and giggling and playing games together. So leave it alone, and maybe it will go home . . .
 
Nice, and particularly nice because you pulled it off with something definitely not in the class of a modern varmint rig. A little over a month ago, I was feeling a little proud because I took my first black powder coyote - a scoped black powder rig I might add. There's no question I have been trumped and trumped hard. :D

I'm another one of those who will opportunistically take a coyote to help control their numbers. I don't do so with any malice, even though they literally wiped me out on my first attempt to have a flock of ducks, geese and free range chickens. (Okay, maybe a little malice.) Needles to say, coyotes are more opportunistic than I could ever be. The following spring I had a dead calf and another one injured. That could have been dogs, but our recent history with coyotes points to coyotes. Not only did our DOC (dept of conservation) issue us an out of season permit, (we have a closed portion here,) they shipped us a big box of snares and helped us figure out how to go about it.

In our case, the vast majority of coyotes were too well schooled to come to a call. Some did come to a live lure, (I’ve posted a couple here about using a Pekin duck,) but not enough to stop the predation. We finally got the upper hand with the snares. I'd rather we never have to resort to that again.

IMO, rifle hunting or shooting as the opportunity arises is better than trapping in humane terms. In a snare, a coyote may hang himself. While that's not the most humane thing, I would always hope it went that way, otherwise I'm dispatching a terrified animal with no means of escape. Same thing with a leg hold trap. (Hold your fire trappers. I get it. I'm just saying it isn't for me.)

Leadcounsel, I hope you'll see this other side of the issue and understand why someone like me appreciates what the OP has accomplished. From my experience, seeing a coyote in daylight that is tolerant of people within any proximity is an indication that you are headed for a coyote problem.

Plus, if anyone will use the fur or sell it, I'm all for it. "Save a dog in China - Shoot a coyote in America!" :D
 
Aw, c'mon guys! What difference does it make if coyotes kill some lambs, goats or even calves? Or chickens or turkeys? After all, meat comes all cut and wrapped at your local Hoggly-Woggly or the A&Poo feed store. You don't need ranches and feedlots or farms, after all.

And it's unheard of for anybody to ever protect their property, much less animal property. Why would anybody ever do that?
 
Humans have created artificial food chains, that create an excess of food for predators. That excess of food leads to an excess of predators, and lots of bored animals. Bored animals kill things for fun, burrow into burrow into things they shouldn't, and harass livestock and wildlife.
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So, what you're saying is that humans caused the problem, so animals need to pay the price for... well... being animals. And "bored animals kill things for fun..." much like the OP and others that joined in the "flame Leadcounsel"...

Eh, keep doing what you're doing and patting yourself on the back. Shortsighted human folly has caused so many global environmental problems including the depletion of resources and extinction of animals at alarming rates... but who cares, right? Pat yourself on the back for a well placed shot and go on about your day...

I appreciate a good hunting story like anyone else; I also enjoy eating a tastey steak or venison like the next guy. I'm not naive to not know where meat comes from, and most of it is grown by corporate farms and killed in dirty foul slaughterhouses.

However, posts like the OPs are better suited for the topic of "lazy psuedo hunter puts a bullet in a rifle and pulls the trigger and sportkills animals for depraved fun and bragging rights" rather than "the hunt" - which implies some skill and use of the animal which was killed... Wow, you shot a large dog sized target at 400 yards. Big deal.... We're all entitled to our opinions and again I'm not impressed... I routinely shoot 3 second pop up targets at 300 meters with open sites with a carbine... you don't see me raving about it like its' some big accomplishment.
 
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However, posts like the OPs are better suited for the topic of "lazy psuedo hunter puts a bullet in a rifle and pulls the trigger and sportkills animals for depraved fun and bragging rights" rather than "the hunt" - which implies some skill and use of the animal which was killed... We're all entitled to our opinions and again I'm not impressed...
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Really? What would impress you?

Eh, keep doing what you're doing and patting yourself on the back. Shortsighted human folly has caused so many global environmental problems including the depletion of resources and extinction of animals at alarming rates... but who cares, right?
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Are you worried that coyotes are endangered? If that's the case I have good news. The coyote is categorized as an animal that is of "least concern" for the purposes of conservation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote
 
Look LC... I read the OP word by word and there was nothing to support...
"lazy psuedo hunter puts a bullet in a rifle and pulls the trigger and sportkills animals for depraved fun and bragging rights" rather than "the hunt" - which implies some skill and use of the animal which was killed... Wow, you shot a large dog sized target at 400 yards.
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You eat meat but do not hunt? You eat the venison that a guy sat in a tree stand waiting for a deer that has no natural predators from above to worry about yet he puts a bullet in it?

Or would this guy be paying to be hauled around on a four wheeler and dropped within yards of feeder or feed plot (green bait) to shoot a deer and have it hauled by the "guide" back to "camp" (a high dollar log structure far nicer than any home I ever lived in) where the guide will "process" said deer into venison?

BTW the OP did get use out the dead 'yote in the way of revenue or home meat that may have other wise would have been wasted when fed to the mangy dog.

Brent
 
So, any particular reason you like to shoot animals that are just mindin their own business....? Was it stalking your livestock? Stalking your kids? You gonna eat her? Or do you just have some bloodlust for killin creatures? Just curious as to why folks like shootin' 'yotes' so much, and you didn't really address it in your post under "the hunt" forum...

How exactly is a 'yote' supposed to get away when you're hundreds of yards away with a rifle? It's not like you're chasing it down with a spear, or heck even a bow, where it would have some realistic chance of survival... I'm frankly unimpressed when 'men' go out and blast 'yotes' or other 'rodents', without so much as placing themselves in any danger whatsoever (the biggest risk is maybe you'll catch a cold or twist your ankle or nick your gun) and think they've accomplished some feat...

How exactly is this a 'hunt?' May as well been a video game... Long story short: You saw a coyote. Grabbed your rifle. Stepped off your back porch. Shot a few times. Killed it. Congrats....
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It's pretty clear LC was looking for an argument when he made this post. Obviously, the coyote population needs to be hunted. I killed one last year that was extremely emanciated. And they have turned our newborn calves into skeletons overnight.
I expect LC knows these things happen but doesn't care. His screen name indicates a large ego and a willingness to expell lots of hot air with no facts.
 
Read the Words carefully

I actually believe a little of all of this. While it may not have been the most skillful La Trang stalk ever it worked.

LC, his title says it all. He is well aware that this is not a six miles uphill both ways in the snow and shot while riding an avalanche at ninety mph on a skim board hunt. It was a humorous anecdote of how a perfectly normal day becomes a learning lesson for all. Some of what to do and some of what not to do.

If you have more than two posts on this forum then of course you are not an ignoramus who thinks chicken stew is magically made and you have a point about the "hunt" being more of a vermin colling or something along those lines.

I don't have livestock but what I do have are a very particular set skills, skills acquired over a long career, skills that make me nightmare for other predators. I will test my skills as I see fit as did SS54 with-in the laws that we the people vote on!
 
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Good work, SingleSix. I hit one on the run like that a few years ago and thought I'd missed it altogether, when it dropped behind a terrace out of my sight.
 
FYI this is the best yote pelt I'v ever scored. I'v made arangements to have it mounted. This wasn't a great day of bedding down and calling in dogs and extermanting them. It was a spur of the moment fluke. Every thing went wrong and I still got her with a 112 yr old gun on foot 1/2 mile open range in broad daylight with the wind to my back. Not that I need to explain myself. Last I checked I was still standing in the U.S.A.
 
We're all entitled to our opinions and again I'm not impressed... I routinely shoot 3 second pop up targets at 300 meters with open sites with a carbine... you don't see me raving about it like its' some big accomplishment.
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another reason why this is THE HUNT FORUM and not a target shooting forum. he posted this story for the people on here who like to hunt, not to impress them but to share his experience. and until the state tells me i have a limit or can not kill yotes (WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN) ill be folding them up like wet towels every opportunity i get!!;)

singlesix, nice stock and kill very hard to do with a yote. little harder then waiting for a target to pop up.
 
Shortsighted human folly has caused so many enviromental problems...
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Leadcounsel, shortsighted human folly is also why we have wars.

Question is, 'Who`s being shortsighted' ?

Your first comment back to the OP was as shortsighted as it gets. You didn`t ask him if yotes were a problem in his area. Hell, for that matter, you criticized the way he stalked the yote and you don`t even know if he`s got legs. Maybe OP`s in a wheel chair or is 90 yrs. old and can`t see. Maybe the yotes have killed much livestock in his area. Maybe there`s been attacks on pets or kids in his neighborhood.
Fact is, before your somewhat rude/shortsighted post, you didn`t bother asking any questions.

Also, I found NO hint of bragging in OP`s statement(with my old eye`s, I`d want to tell the world of that shot though:p). Just a poster wanting to conversate with some fellow outdoorsmen.

Your second post, 'Lazy pseudo hunter...' is worse.

Instead of making yourself sound arrogant and ignorant, quit being so overbearing/shortsighted and spend some time researching problems others have that don`t live in your immediate vicinity. I`ve never seen a yote running a T-bone down in the isle at Krogers but I have seen them tear a calf to pieces, found the remains of sheep and chickens.

Why don`t you google up what has to happen to a child thats bit by a yote;).

I don`t think anyone here is saying yotes should be killed to extinction. Do your part (research) and you`ll find out they do need to be controlled.

You`ve assumed to much, have been the one guilty of 'shortsighted folly' and you owe the OP an apology.
 
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After reading what lead counsel had to say, I lost scope of the topic by the OP. Congrats on your kill. There would be no coyotes here if i had my way. LC, one other thing I'd like to point out. You stated in another thread that you would kill a human being if you felt threatened by him, but you have a problem with legally, and humanely, exterminating a coyote. You are the worst type of creature on the planet, IMO. You put animals God put here for our use on an even keel with people. You are a thoughtless, repugnant pile of trash.


Your quote (copied and pasted): " I never understood why people would hesitate. It's as easy a reaction as stepping on the brakes to stop your car to avoid an accident. If there's a lethal threat you draw and shoot to stop the threat. "

I am going to eat a steak and buy a leather jacket and think of you. You aren't fit to own a gun. You have to be mentally ill. Take your meds, lie down, and count coyotes till you fall asleep.
 
Good Shooting. I am not sure I could have done it. I prefer to be waiting in ambush for the coyotes. :)


I'm not naive to not know where meat comes from, and most of it is grown by corporate farms and killed in dirty foul slaughterhouses.
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Actually, most of the animals are RAISED on family farms (read farmers and families and a source of income) and finished at the large corporate farms. Ever been to a livestock auction? You'll learn a lot and meet a lot of nice folks, most who have very low opinions of coyotes.

If you hunt deer and did not get one, could it be the coyote killing fawns? I have found a few pieces of small deer carcasses while out and about. In my neck of the woods, that means either a canine or bobcat dragged it off and ate it.

Animal damage on military bases is an ongoing concern. Here at Whiteman AFB, MO I was involved with the USDA in removing deer and other animals that had overpopulated the base.

I saw a B-52 hit a deer on the runway as it landed. It damaged the aircraft to the point it had to be removed from service for at least two months while being repaired.

At Loring AFB, ME, we would have to send patrols into the housing area to protect the kids from moose that seemed to invade base housing. We also had a bull moose tear down part of our weapons storage area fence when it got a wild hair up its tail end.

Beaver would build dams which flooded portions of the weapons storage area and/or transport road, seriously degrading our ability to complete our mission.

There was a story from Arizona (I think) about a little kid that was bitten by a coyote. Poor kid had to get the rabies shots. I have had these and they are extremely uncomfortable for a grown up.

It is easy for people to pass judgement on something they have no idea about. I have lost so much livestock to wild animals that I almost gave up farming because of it. Financially, it was very costly. I have taken extraordinary measures to protect my livestock, but these critters (Coons/possums/coyotes/foxes/bobcats/skunks) are very determined and will find a way to get into the cages and pens.

One of the guys who lives just down the road from me hunts, but does not own any livestock or animals that would be threatened by a coyote, he has no financial reason for shooting them. I happen to like the idea that he is shooting the dang things as often as he can.
 
Uncle Buck, the suburbs of both Tucson and Phoenix have had reports of coyote problems. I think it's up to two, now, for kid who have been bitten. Tucson area.

Cats and small dogs are prey for coyotes in numerous cities around the country. These are not stray or feral cats and dogs; pets in the owners' yards.
 
You shouldn't feel any remorse about legally hunting and killing a coyote. The federal government sees coyotes as animals that need to be controlled and shooting them seems to me to be more humane than poisoning, a method the government uses. http://www.seattlepi.com/local/trap12.shtml

http://www.hcn.org/issues/174/5628

With shooting, you don't have to worry that an animal that wasn't targeted being accidentally poisoned in the trap and you don't have to worry that an animal that scavenges a dead coyote being poisoned.
 
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You are a thoughtless, repugnant pile of trash.... You aren't fit to own a gun. You have to be mentally ill. Take your meds,
Yikes...
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Yeah, that was over the top.
 
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