Cops expel CCW carriers from movie theater

Hiker, post#49

Good luck with that. You'll likely find yourself braced by a squad of cops who will confiscate your weapon, cuff you and stuff you and slap any one of an assortment of charges against you.
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He and/or his significant other have every right to not allow a search. Sir, it is your problem if you yourself would have an issue saying this if questioned. There are plenty of ways to refuse this 'search 101' in a non-confrontational and non-aggressive manner. He/She would just not be allowed to pass that point(crossroads).

There is no reason to be concerned about refusing a search(it is your right). The answer shouldn't be: "I'll allow it" (only because you know you are clean and/or to show you are compliant)

*There are many ways for people to be practiced on what to say when the situation arises. It is amazing that criminals don't prepare themselves for these scenarios ahead of time. Many are caught because of how they respond, because they are scared or unknowledgeable on standing up for their rights, or they just don't know how to answer because they are guilty and it comes off that way or they just don't know how to answer correctly.

**I am not a criminal, but there are scenarios where I might allow a search(I don't have to) and there are other situations where I wouldn't.
 
MLeake

Buzzcook, the point was that the patron could opt to skip the search, and accept being asked to leave the venue.

The theater does not have TSA powers, where once you enter the line you can't leave.
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100% correct...anything else in this situation is incorrect. there is no grey area on this one....if they forced a search(which I seriously doubt), they would be breaking the law and violating your rights.

*I have no problem with searches for a myriad of reasons, but the notion that you have no right to refuse is absolutely incorrect. An example is the car after being pulled over for a broken headlight. "Get the dogs; what do I care"...they do that because they had a reason to pull you over but have no right to search(unless you give up your constitutional rights and allow it). They need 'probable cause' to search. once they have it - it does no good to try and stop them because they will tell you they have the right at that point.
 
While Mr.Justice was wrong on the number of CCW permit holders in Fla... We are the trending to be the first state with 1,000,000 "ACTIVE" permits:D

It is expected we will be there well before the end of the year even though things are a bit slow due to refund issues since Fla reduced the costs to get the permit....
Brent
 
@Nathan, doing what you propose in exercising "your freedom of speech" could have very negative consequences, both by inciting panic and possible arrest for disturbing the peace or similar violation of the law. See Schenck v US and Brandenburg v Ohio. Yes your freedom is technically protected, but is a glib comment worth having to prove that in court?
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Good point. . .which is why I usually just try to keep my trap shut.
 
This one is an interesting contrast to the others.
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I got as far as "shoots himself in buttocks" before I stopped reading.

The effect between the two situations could be very similar. If the theater has a ban on guns, they'll find it justified. If they don't, I'm guessing the idea will come up.
 
Not sure what century's policies are here in NV, down here in Las Vegas it's tough to tell since it's hard to find a theater outside of a casino property. I don't know the situation up in Sparks.

I find it interesting that given the current climate the police reported no panic was cause by the shot. Although I would speculate, that part of that is due to a random single gun shot during an action movie wouldn't really standout.
 
I'm curious about what type of handgun this guy was carrying. Most modern handguns are relatively "drop safe."
 
Most modern handguns are relatively "drop safe."
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I really doubt that the discharge was solely because the gun was dropped. "I just dropped it and it went off" is usually code-speak for any number of negligent and reckless means of gun handling.
 
If there is a sign posted saying NO FIREARMS ALLOWED
In that case...Only the bad guys will illegaly have guns hidden on them.

Thus the way in many places.
 
Well put Tom. As a matter of principal I do not patronize places with No Guns signs whether I am carrying or not ... and I let them know that I will not do business with them for that reason. They may care or may not care but at least they know they are losing my business and why. (I do the same thing with Made in USA parts at the auto store, don't carry Made in USA, I leave and go else where. I know others that do the same. Guess what, I can usually get USA made parts at my local store now ;) ).
 
I seem to recall reading that the problem with "dropped" guns isn't normally the fall, or even impact with the floor or ground. The problem is usually with the owner trying to catch the dropped gun, and impacting the trigger in so doing.

I find that easy enough to believe. Did a number on my left thumb, back when I was a teenager, reflexively catching a dropped knife.

Nice thing about well-kept, sharp knives - they make clean cuts.
 
If there is a sign posted saying NO FIREARMS ALLOWED
In that case...Only the bad guys will illegaly have guns hidden on them.

Thus the way in many places.
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Businesses cannot control bad guys. They can control folks who obey signs. Since we live in a litigation-rich society, what the business owner allows in the business is a liability issue (regardless of what it is) with some more disconcerting than others. "No guns" signs are really more about stopping NDs and injuries by good guys than anything else.
 
If I talk to a concealer-to-be who appears to know little about handguns, and who might well be a potential dropper-and-catcher, I recommend a revolver carried with the top chamber empty, just as we load for CAS matches. A DA with a fully shrouded hammer is even better, though I suppose those tend to peak out at .38Spl. Sure, it is one less round. But I haven't read about any accidental discharges with these. And they don't suffer the newbie problem with semi-autos, where a round is not chambered, for safety's sake, and thus the gun cannot be placed into action in a blink if needed or the racking might be fumbled in the heat of the moment.
 
If I talk to a concealer-to-be who appears to know little about handguns, and who might well be a potential dropper-and-catcher, I recommend a revolver carried with the top chamber empty,
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But you're describing a problem that won't be solved with hardware. Such a person really needs to get some serious training before he considers carrying a weapon.
 
Tom - that is true, regarding the need for training (and practice), but the unfortunate reality is that many well-meaning people will go through minimum-CCW-qualification requirements, obtain a permit and begin carrying. My proposal to them is as simple and safe, (if they insist on carrying) as it can get while remaining within current law. In other words, if you did the minimum to get your permit, then at least follow these guidelines to keep yourself and others as safe as possible.

In Florida, I wish that CCW requirements would go a bit further for qualification, relative to demonstrated "range time." An analogy might be that, from what I've been told, most anyone can buy and drive a Greyhound-size RV without having to qualify for a special license. Which means they don't have to learn about brakes on mountain passes and the like. That can endanger others, the point at which I blow the whistle.
 
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