Confidence in your Carry Piece

These tight 25yd groups.... I assume you guys are shooting from rests?
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If you're asking me, the answer is no. The groups shown in my posts were shot two-hand standing.

How does that look like 3 to 4 inch group all 5 rounds are touching? U must not know how to measure
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The shots look like they're strung out in a curved line and it doesn't look to me like they're all touching. The line looks like it's 3-4" long. I could be wrong. It's hard to tell from the pic.

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So you guys are getting better groups, unsupported, than the guys at G&A, American Handgunner, etc get from a rest?

Impressive. I only have met one other guy who could do that, and he was HRT.
 
MLeake,

If you ever go to NRA Bulleye you will see many a group like that one pictured by Japle.

Note Japle is not using a Glock .40 or Sig but a compensated Ruger .22 that also has a trigger stop. With match .22 ammo the gun most certianly can put all its shots into about the size of that 10 ring with lots of room to spare.

Deaf
 
I was looking at the BHP 7/8" group. That blew my mind. Nice shooting. I am not sure I could ever do that, regardless of round count or practice time.

I know about the Rugers; my uncle used to compete with one. He hit his 60's, though, and had to add a red dot sight.
 
Scopeshooter,

I think what some, including me, are thinking is something like this:

  • putting 2shots in the same hole at 25yards is really good shooting
  • A Makarov is an effective pistol, but not known for tremendous accuracy.
  • A Makarov has a barrel less than 4 inches long. This is part of the reason it is not known for its tremendous accuracy
  • 9X18 ammo is not generally available in premium, target loads (at least not that I've seen)
  • Many of us have owned or shot Makarovs. They were everywhere in the mid 90's. Most of us would pick another gun to shoot for accuracy at 25yds
  • Most of us, at one time or another, have shot a 3 round group that could be covered by a quarter. Some of us do it more often than others.(I'm firmly in the "others" camp. I do it, but I can never tell when it's coming)
  • To be able to shoot a short barreled, semi auto over open sights with run of the mill ammo into quarter sized groups at 25yds consistently requires a very high level of marksmanship. V e r y H I G H!
  • To do it under anything but slow fire conditions requires an even higher level
  • I wish I could do it.

At least that's what I'm thinking.
 
The group in my pic was 1 1/4 inch group. I never said I could do it everytime.
I did say I could do it. And yes all five rounds were touching. I took the target to the lgs
And had an offical NRA instructor and IPDA judge measure the group.
I don't understand why someone can't deal with the fact that a 200 dollar short barrel semi auto can do it. Why do some try to make others feel like they are not as good as themselves. If someone says they can do something just go with that. I never once said anything abou the other shot group pics. But did you ask them if they could do that if they were under attack. No. Some how I became the center of this topic. When I I said was to build confidence with ur carry wepon u have to practice.
 
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I think I'm going to punch my neighbor in the nose and take his makarov

I might think twice about punching somebody in the nose and trying to take their gun away
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We don't like him much...lol that's all..never carries either. Semi-friends with my father. Really awkward little man. It's an under the pillow queen even..needs a new master. Dying for attention. He's jealous of my collection and says they're no good. He only has that gun. Mine are no good for him. He's old..kind of. Or maybe just blind? Ignorant? lol I don't know..I don't hate him..Why am I still talking about this? Do YOU like my guns?


I just want his Makarov :)
 
Posted by new scopeshooter:
The group in my pic was 1 1/4 inch group. I never said I could do it everytime.
I did say I could do it. And yes all five rounds were touching. I took the target to the lgs
And had an offical NRA instructor and IPDA judge measure the group.
I don't understand why someone can't deal with the fact that a 200 dollar short barrel semi auto can do it.
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OK, I’ll accept your measurement. That’s not the reason you’re being challenged.

Originally, you stated, “But I I can put two rounds in the same whole at 25 yards” with your Makarov. That’s where the questions started.

Those of us who have a lot of experience (I’ve been shooting competitively since 1959) and have shot lots of handguns, including Makarovs, know that very few handguns that weren’t specifically tuned for precise target shooting will shoot well enough to place two shots touching each other at 25 yards, even from a machine rest with carefully loaded ammo.

When I was shooting metallic silhouette, I had a few handguns that would shoot 5 shot groups of 4” at 200 meters with me on the steering end. I customized 1911s for about 25 years and those guns would often group between 1” and 2” at 25 yds. Few off-the-shelf combat/carry guns will shoot that well and we shouldn’t expect them to.

Certainly, no one expects a Makarov to shoot that well.

So when you claim you can “put two rounds in the same whole at 25 yards” with your Makarov, it’s like me claiming “my mother’s 9 feet tall”. It might be true, but it’s awfully damn unlikely. It’s not surprising that someone might call BS.
 
Ok I will accept the fact that ur experiance allows u to question my group. But I can call BS on the claim of ur experiance because if you have shot a makarov you would know what size they are so there would be no posible way my group was 3 to 4 inches long. Look at the group compaired to the size of the makarov in the pic.

Or maybe you are just starting to lose some of your eye sight.

Just my opinion
 
Scopeshooter,

When someone says "I can do xxxxxx" most people will assume that the person making the claim can produce that performance on demand. Anytime, anyplace. Not just sometimes. At least most of the time is required.

I think that's why people are questioning you.
 
1. get training
2. shoot the gun - a lot! Try to replicate potential situations where you would have to defend yourself or others. 80% 7 yards or less. Not 1-2 shots, but shoot them to the ground! Sometime with 2-3 targets, to train in fire dispersion.

OH yes - then buy more ammo and shoot the gun some more!
 
1. get training
2. shoot the gun - a lot! Try to replicate potential situations where you would have to defend yourself or others. 80% 7 yards or less. Not 1-2 shots, but shoot them to the ground! Sometime with 2-3 targets, to train in fire dispersion.

OH yes - then buy more ammo and shoot the gun some more!
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+1

And a Makarov should be fine for that. Nothing wrong with the gun or the round.
 
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