Condi Rice for President

I'm not saying that all Southerners hold that opinion, but I stand by my opinion that the number of people in the South who would never in their lifetimes vote for a black woman is significant enough to tip the southern vote against Rice.

The South does elect a large number of minorities into office, but they are by and at large elected by Southern minorities.

Look: I live here, too. I am not basing this opinion on some ignorant Yankee stereotype about Southerners. I am merely taking stock of my personal experiences, and I am disappointed to realize that a large sample of my white Southern acquaintances, while being nice and pleasant folk otherwise, harbor a strong irrational dislike for blacks in general.
 
We will just have to agree to disagree then Marko. I did a search for some quick and dirty statistics and came up dry. I do not believe, at least in my part of the South anyway, that people vote in this manner.

I am looking at the last Louisiana Governor's election, a hot campaign between Piyush (Bobby) Jindal and Kathy Blanco. Jindal was a man of Indian descent, Blanco a woman of Cajun heritage. In my little part of the state, Jindal was a favorite. Not much was said of his heritage at the coffee counters and barber shops. Much was said of his work. The media and anaysts made hay of his skin tone and heritage. The voters did not. "His Indian heritage seemed to have no effect on voters," says John Maginnis, a veteran analyst of Louisiana politics. "He captured the most conservative voters, the ones people assumed would have the most hard time voting for a dark-skinned candidate." Blanco won the election. This was not the first time for unusual occurances in Louisiana politics of course. Jindal did not loose because white voters refused to vote for him. Blanco won because South Louisiana voters could not be swayed away from their heritage.

I do believe that the Deep South would vote for a proven black female conservative who is pro-God, pro-gun, as well as a part of the present administration.......... long before they would vote for a proven radical leftist former first lady who advanced agendas against the beliefs held dear in the Deep South. It sounds like you believe that in such an instance the South would vote based on race. I do not.
 
I agree that many people, especially in the South, do not want a black or female president. And I think this reflects good upon the South because it means they have values. Wanting a white man for President is wise.
 
"And I think this reflects good upon the South because it means they have values. Wanting a white man for President is wise."

Uh... Could you expand on that a little bit please? Personally, I would vote for Condi in a heartbeat, especially if she was up against Hitlery.

Tim
 
I agree that many people, especially in the South, do not want a black or female president. And I think this reflects good upon the South because it means they have values. Wanting a white man for President is wise.
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Holy crap.


This is the worst, saddest thing I've read on this board. :mad:
 
I have a feeling my little disagreement with Marko and this whole doggone thread is about to become washed away in a tsunami of angry irrelevant posts................ :eek:


Lets get it back on track quick.............The question is:
If the Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton for POTUS, could Condi Rice carry the South on a Republican ticket and defeat her?

Before the thread gets shut down for irrelevance, I want to say that it is very much a gun related thread. Condi is decidedly Pro-Gun, while Hillary is decidedly Anti-Gun. Their positions are clear and indisputable. ;)
 
What yuppy transplants who happen to have moved to the South think about the South and what they think Southerners think is not neccessarily true. :rolleyes:


This is one of the things that political planners have to look at, but I believe that Condi stands a really good chance of winning more than the traditional 5-10% of the Southern Black vote and at least 60% of the Southern White vote.
 
For the record I'm also from and in East Tennessee.

I don't think being Black would affect Condi at all in the South. To put it simply, she fLAT OUT KICKS A$$ and that's something any good southerner will get behind. Sure a handful wouldn't vote for her due to race but that goes for the North too.

I do think being a woman is a bigger liability for her. Moreso for a Republican than a democrat.

I could be wrong because I only heard it once in passing and may have heard wrong but, I believe I heard she is pro-choice. If so, she has no chance. Until I heard that I too thought she was the perfect choice. I still hope I heard that wrong.
 
These "Condi for Pres" threads :rolleyes: ... Some people think being black/female doesn't matter, some think it is a benefit, and I think both posititions are naive and a denial of reality. I see no need to explain myself, every POTUS in history has been a white man. If any postition needs explaining, it is the idea that race and gender are not a factor.

Personally, I like Condi and am impressed with her, but I do not see her as POTUS material. And I think that she would split the republican vote and get Hillary elected. Maybe the republicans should run a white man, it's always worked before!
 
She would better serve our interests as a Supreme Court justice, in my view. POTUS is only eight years - Court is a lifetime appointment. And the liberals would be hard pressed to object for fear of you-know-what - black and female.
JT
 
Hugh,

You said earlier that not wanting a black woman "reflects good upon the South because it means they have values."

Values. Not good strategy, or acknowledgement of political reality. You used the term "values", as in "the principles that help you to decide what is right and wrong, and how to act in various situations" or "a moral standard".

Your standard seems to be that a black woman president would be immoral and wrong.

I am disgusted that any Americans still feel so free to say such things away from the Klan meeting.
 
Another Condi for Prez thread. Oy.

It'll never happen.
First, she has shown no interest in the job, period.
Second, she has no political experience in running for office.
Third, because of #2 she has no natural constituency to draw from for support (read: money)
Fourth: She suffers from the Colin Powell Syndrome--they always look better far away.
Five: she has probably pissed off the liberals, including those in the Republican Party, already.

I am sure there are others, like these weren't enough. :rolleyes:
 
I think it is a very intriguing idea. She is clearly a very intelligent and accomplished person, who commands a great deal of respect. She is a stalwart defender of the 2nd amendment, having seen its necessity firsthand. I think that the fact that she is not a career politician is a GOOD thing. If she was nominated, that would sure jerk a knot in the liberals' tails, and that would almost be reason enough!
 
think it is a very intriguing idea. She is clearly a very intelligent and accomplished person, who commands a great deal of respect. She is a stalwart defender of the 2nd amendment, having seen its necessity firsthand. I think that the fact that she is not a career politician is a GOOD thing. If she was nominated, that would sure jerk a knot in the liberals' tails, and that would almost be reason enough!
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Alan Keyes is a very intelligent, accomplished, articulate person with charisma that Rice lacks. He is right on all the issues I've ever heard him discuss. He recently proved he could not be elected dog-catcher, much less anything else.
 
And GW didn't come off as intelligent, accomplished or articulate in 1999, but got elected anyway. Maybe there's more to it than that.
 
Yes, but he did prove he could get elected and had an extensive grass roots apparatus long before the first primary rolled around. Big difference.
 
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