Concealed Carry Illinois

^Agreed, the list of prohibited places is huge... but interestingly enough, it looks like the bill says that "restaurant carry" is OK by specifying the "50% of sales from alcohol" route.

Also, $55 fee to obtain a new license if you change addresses.

Also, $300 for a non-resident permit with this in the verbiage:
The Department shall establish by rule and allow for
non-resident license applications from any state or territory
of the United States with laws related to firearm ownership,
possession, and carrying, that are substantially similar to the
requirements to obtain a license under this Act.
... reduces the the number of states pretty good right off the bat even without the absurd fee.

It really flirts with "shall issue" although technically since there's no requirement for "good an proper cause" (the backbone of "may issue"), it means just about any regular Joe qualifies as long as they've already got a FOID card and haven't done anything really stupid in the past decade.

If they relaxed a few of the prohibited places and were fairly generous with reciprocity (yeah, right) it's not terrible... lotsa "hoops" to jump through, but as was said before, as the state gets used to it a bit, restrictions can be peeled back.
 
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The bill only covers shall-issue (concealed and partially concealed) and state preemption. Everything else is pretty bad-lots of off limits places, high fees, 16 hour training, no reciprocity(non-residents can get a permit for 300), must inform officer,exc.
It's going to be a hard choice for IL. There will be court fights in the future, just depends whether the fight will be against the state or against the individual localities.
I did see an article claiming that if this bill isn't passed, then the Chicago one would. I don't understand how that bill would have any shot of passing even if this bill dies.
 
The votes have been tallied by the NRA lobbyist - Todd V and the result is that soft pro-gun legislators are unwilling to go over the June 9th cliff set by the court- thus unless this bill is passed, there will be the senate may issue bill passed - the choice is between the two bills - the senate bill is a no carry may issue and home rule nightmare codified into law that makes this house bill look like sweetness and light. The NRA and ISRA are not liking this bill though it is shall issue and has statewide preemption, because of the restrictions, fees, training requirements, and ban on CCW on public transportation. However they are not opposing it either as they know the political realities. The only really good thing excluding shall issue and preemption is that it will wipe out the Chicago and Cook county AW ban and licensing requirements because to the preemption language. No CCW advocates are really happy with this bill, though they are not as upset as the Chicago polls and gun control advocates are. If passed it is not the win we wished, but it is a win and one we can incrementally improve with a friendlier governor and simple majorities in the house and senate. A year ago before the 7th circuit victory we would have been happy to get even this crappy law. So in perspective of political realities, it is a win and a better place from which to continue the fight. The fact is that constitutional or court carry is not going to happen - the votes are not there to let it happen.
 
The public transport ban has already been shot down by the 7th Circuit. Go ahead and let 'em pass that, it ain't enforceable.
 
A year ago before the 7th circuit victory we would have been happy to get even this crappy law. So in perspective of political realities, it is a win and a better place from which to continue the fight. The fact is that constitutional or court carry is not going to happen - the votes are not there to let it happen.
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Agree... considering where Illinois gun owners started from, this is a big step forward. I am sure the anti's in Chicago feel they have comprimised to an extreme extent.

And it is just a start. Over time, everyone in Illinois will get more used to concealed carry. Citizens and cops in Chicago will realize it is not the armageddon of crime and vigilantism that they expect. Over the coming years, gun owners will push for easing the restrictions and lowering the fees, and there will be less fear and uncertainty to stand in the way.

This will be perhaps the most restrictive shall-issue law of any state, but given the political realities of Illinois, it is a step forward.
 
I particularly like section 90 where it talks about state preemption. I'm not crazy about the bill but there are some things I like.

Sidewalks are public property no matter where you are, so you're covered there. Vehicle is covered. Chicago permit system and AWB are nullified. Those two things right there are a huge victory.
 
Since I am not in Illinois, it is easy for me to sit on the sidelines and hope, indeed, pray, that nothing passes and Madigan files a cert petition. Any legislation would arguably moot out the case and preclude any cert petition. Ugh. This case would be our best shot at getting outside the home before the SCT.
 
IL Speaker of the house Madigan just threw Chicago gun control out the window.

Our shall issue bill just passed the house with 85yes, 30 no, 1 present.

Bill had a provision that makes firearm regulations a power of the state. All local ordinances would be invalidated.

Senate vote next. Word is that it will be today.

Game isn't over yet
 
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Are you guys fans of SB 2193?

I know its shall issue, which is a huge leap forward, but are there any provisions that make it bad?
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It isn't perfect, but it's better than nothing. The best part is it's shall issue, and not may-issue. If it had been may-issue, I'd consider it no-issue unless you're "connected". As for the $150.00 cost, that's for five years which breaks down to $30.00 a year, not horrible. Just being able to carry in your car, and not have to worry about being pulled over and becoming a felon is GREAT news!

The 16 hour training requirement may be the tough part. No one knows what it'll cost, and where you can get the training yet. I put my name on a CCW Class waiting list a few weeks ago, and the shop was already up to at least 600 people signed up. If and when this law goes into effect, there'll be thousands lining up. It could take a year or two to actually be licensed for all I know. Overall I'm glad it's finally here, that it's shall issue, and that I may be around long enough to see it.

I have to admit I smiled when I heard the House passed the bill today.
 
Are you guys fans of SB 2193?

I know its shall issue, which is a huge leap forward, but are there any provisions that make it bad?
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The requirements and place restrictions are pretty over the top.

$150 for residents, $300 for out of staters. No word on recognition or reciprocity as far as I know.

Many places are prohibited, public transportation, many parks, museums, and some forest preserves among others.

However we have to remember that included in the bill is state wide preemption on all laws regulating firearms. You know, that one law many here drool over.
 
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Since I am not in Illinois, it is easy for me to sit on the sidelines and hope, indeed, pray, that nothing passes and Madigan files a cert petition. Any legislation would arguably moot out the case and preclude any cert petition. Ugh. This case would be our best shot at getting outside the home before the SCT
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I think we still have a chance, at least 2 fairly powerful democratic machine politicians are against this - Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel and the President of the Illinois Senate President John J. Cullerton. The governor is against it also but I wouldn't say he's that powerful.

From what I understand, Senate President John Cullerton could mess around calling other bills and refuse to call this for a vote, that might force IL AG Lisa Madigan to appeal in order to stop enforcement of the CA7 ruling.

I hear people in Illinois talk about going over "the cliff" June 9th like it's certainty if this bill doesn't get passed - but Lisa Madigan has already filed for an extension - instead of going over the constitutional carry cliff, I would think it more likely means appeal to SCOTUS and putting Illinois gun law on hold until it is decided on by the Supremes.

Am I wrong?
 
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