Concealed carry for a cook

Try a waistpack under your chef's coat

Wrothgar, this is something with which I have a little bit of experience. One aspect of working in a kitchen is that space is often cramped and fellow workers will be squeezing past you ("Behind you!") and sometimes touching your beltline in back or on the side, so a gun carried there is too easily accidently discovered, even if it's covered by your chef's coat.

However, you could carry in a waistpack (fannypack) worn directly in front, just under your waist or even covering your groin, and nobody would be touching you there. Your chef's coat (and apron, if you wear one) would probably cover it and, unless you are a real skinny guy (which is not likely in your profession!), even a slight overhang of your belly will keep the bulge of the waistpack invisible.

There are a number of these made specifically for covert carry; Marom Dolphin (supplier to the IDF) makes some good ones you can see here: http://www.zahal.org/products/small-fanny-pack-concealed-gun-holster?path_parent=153439

You won't get the quickest draw, but you'll have the advantage of the gun never actually having to be exposed, even when you change clothes.

This has worked for me in several situations, like being a short-order cook in an all-night hash-house (where we did have a sign that said Complaints to the cook may be hazardous to your health!). Coincidentally, a J-frame (3" Model 36) was what I carried then (and at other times).

All-in-all, this is not so different from a belly-band, for many of the same reasons.

oneounceload:
You have greater chances being hit by lightning or a bus

You are not there to save the world or anyone but yourself - if, by some long odds, a nutob walk in, then you either seek cover in the kitchen or head out the back door

Despite the long odds against ever needing it, I admire the OP's wanting to be prepared for anything and to not be helpless. The long odds against the likelihood of needing a gun will be small comfort when (God forbid!) an armed robber is trying to march the crew back into the walk-in cooler at gunpoint.

As to his not saving anyone but himself, that would be his call, wouldn't it?
 
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Or IWB a Beretta 84FS 13+1 380ACP would be mine. A mag of 100gr. +P Hard Cast Buffalo Bore is insane its like 368ft/lbs on a 380. Its getting 9mm type ballistics. The 84FS could eat those too but I would fire them sparingly . Just for SD and practice SD. Have an extra mag with Buffalo Bore 90gr +P JHP< they use Gold Dot bullets for th JHP's mostly which I like. Some are different. The hard cast lead round is cool check out what it looks like a BEAST.
 
Where do you work? Hell's Kitchen?....

But I digrest.... ;) .

Really there are a few related topic posts on this forum about discreet carry with uniforms, mess whites, medical scrubs, etc.
I'd look over the undershirts or clothing here: www.GlockStore.com or see the main 5.11 Tactical or Greg Kramer Holster websites.
Lenny Magill(Glock Store) sells shirts, bike shorts, belly bands that can tote a J/K frame snub revolver or small pistol.
For regular concealed carry, I'd get a holster or garment you could access quickly with either hand but stays concealed for discreet use. ;)
A "melded" pistol like SIG Sauer's P239 DAK SASII is a good example. No rough or sharp edges.
Shoulder rigs like the Ken Null model or from Galco may be ok for short periods but in a piping hot kitchen or food service area, that may start to be difficult.

ClydeFrog
 
If you're a cook, get a Ruger and put it between the buns.



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Actually, for a chef I'm pretty skinny :-). I run/work out, what can I say.

And to oneounceload; what are you doing on a firearms forum putting down concealed carry when, I would say, the VAST majority of people have their concealed carry licenses?

I'll have to check out those fanny packs :-).

And yes, I'm more concerned about getting out late at night in a shady area than anything else.
 
@jimbob86- noone was talking about the vertical neck chain holsters. I said horizontal with a slight up tilt for the sake of draw stroke. If the near impossible happened and i had a nd with it in the holster the round is going to go over my right shoulder but this falls under the booger hook off the bang switch thing. As for fit, normally a thinner kydex is used causing a tighter fit. It takes a good push off to get it out of the holster.
 
Tough situation to carry in.

1. Do you HAVE to wear the chef's pants with drawstring? IWB with a real belt would be preferable, obviously.

2. How about velcroing the gun to the bottom of one of those stainless prep tables? Weird idea maybe, but if you can place it and retrieve it at the beginning and end of your shift, and know where it is if you need it DURING the shift, that might be ideal.

3. How about an ankle holster? Maybe those chef pants will be useful after all. Don't they have kind of baggy legs?
 
I think that leaving a gun around, even if hidden, is a pretty bad idea.

Also, people keep asking if I'm allowed to carry. There's nothing in the employee handbook about it, so I think I'm in the clear.

I haven't taken my CHL class yet (meant to yesterday but it fell through). The place where I will be working does have a liquor license, but it is not a 51% establishment. I'll have to ask the instructors about this issue when I'm at the class. In Texas, you could carry into a place that sold alcohol as long as it wasn't a 51% business (meaning that at least 51% of revenue came from alcohol sales - see bars and liquor stores).
 
That's not going to work when I'm working as chef pants don't have a belt, just a draw string.

What? There are more than one type of pant you can wear as a chef. Unless the place you work has some sort of uniform requirement.
Many of the options include belt loops.

I don't know what kind of dystopian kitchen you plan to work at but it would be way beyond any place I ever worked at. Do you plan on drawing down on a surly prep-cook? Watch out for the Poissonnier, he'll fillet you as soon as look at you.

40 years in kitchens, form haute cuisine to dive bars, and I never needed a firearm. Outside the kitchen was another matter.
 
Outside the kitchen was another matter.

That's more of the issue as I'm kind of on the bad side of downtown Denver. AND, again, it's as much a grocery store as a restaurant. If you have a concealed carry, do you not carry at the grocery?
 
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Points to consider when buying or obtaining a new defense holster....

There are a few points to consider before you spend a lot of $$$ on a firearm or holster to meet your work/concealment needs;
1) Could you access the weapon quickly with either hand in a critical incident?
2) Can you safely holster or re-holster the firearm one-handed w/o effort?
3) Can the holster/gear/garments hold up to the weather or working conditions(heat/humid/dust/sweat)? A kydex-polymer or synthetic material may do better than cow or horsehide gear. ;)
4) Could the holster or gear protect the firearm from damage or excessive wear?
5) Would firearm retention or security be a major issue? You do not need a pistol to slide across the alley or have a concealed belt/pack get pulled off you in a violent street fight.
6) Would the holster or loaded concealed firearm be discreet or not conflict with your regular job duties; bending down, lifting boxes, reaching up, turning, etc?
There are a few things to consider before you tote a gun into the workplace.
ClydeFrog
 
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BTW - in Chicago we have our problems with beggers / homeless etc...

But Denver has to be at least 10 times worse. When it comes to bums on the street approaching people for money, I'm sure Denver has Chicago beat on a per capita basis. Actually I think Denver has more beggers in toto than Chicago.

It's like there are these little like alcoves off the main sidewalks - sort of like a bus stop or an area with benches where you coulds sit - where people could sit if it weren't always occupied by homeless people. And then when you walk past these alcoves the beggers surge forth like zombies, asking you for money or whatever but they stay in their little alcove and then you walk along for another 50 feet or so till you come to the next alcove and the beggers in that alcove surge forward to ask you fo money and you get past that alcove and it just repeats.

I flew there so I had no firearm but I was thinking of going to a sports store or something and getting a Little Slugger. I would not want to walk Denver streets at night.


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The bright side about dealing with bums and street crazies is that they almost all smoke cigs or weed (cigs and weed both if they can get it), they never exercise, they're in terrible shape so you can usually run away from them. I decided to run from a guy on Clark street once. He was a street crazy, I was at the bus stop because there is no F-ing parking on Clark street so I ended up parking so far away from the doctor's office I needed to get to, that decided to take a bus from where my car was parked to the Doc's office. So there I am at the bus stop after the Dr visit, and Darnell the crackhead starts hasseling me for money. So he asks me for money for the bus and I tell him I don't have any and says " Mayn - that's Booool**** I knoe you gotz money man.." So I say "I've got money, I don't have any money for you" And he gets upset so I start running. Darnell's lungs are shot and he doesn't even try to follow me, plus we were kind of in the shade by the bus stop and when I ran - it was into the full blazing sun, I'm not sure Darnell can take exposure to full sunlight.

In Denver it seems like the bums can't come out of their alcoves...
 

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I work in an open bistro kitchen as well....I keep my piece in my locker which I can get to and open in under 7 seconds (estimated)...I CC almost everyday, but on the line in a busy open kitchen???? Cmon thats a little extreme.
 
oneounceload said:
You are not there to save the world or anyone but yourself - if, by some long odds, a nutob walk in, then you either seek cover in the kitchen or head out the back door

Yeah, because that's always possible:rolleyes:. How many of the people in the San Ysidro McDonalds were able to do that? I'll tell you how many weren't. 40. 40 people weren't able to "seek cover or run out the back door" while some animal gunned them down . And none were able to fight back because it was California. You're entitled to your opinion but in this case your sheeple mentality sucks. Sure, escape if you can but to rely on it as your only defense is a pretty poor plan.
 
Folks, the topic of this thread is methods of carry for a professional chef, not how to escape from or defend yourself in a restaurant attack. That's a topic for a different time, a different thread and in a different forum.

Stay on topic from now on, please.
 
Does not a chef’s uniform have a white jacket?

Seems a belt and holster under that jacket would work. The belt need not be for the pants, only the holster.

Of course the belt and holster must be white, and the gun stainless with ivory grips.

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