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College students in Georgia want to be able to carry on campus
- Thread starter Botswana
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But I also think people beleive they are defenseless if not armed with a gun. How many agree with that statement?
Ok, I’ll bite.
I believe a gun is just a tool like many others that a person might use to protect themselves or their families. I by no means feel defenseless without a gun and in a variety of situations choose not carry one. However, I also believe that as an adult that decision should be made by me and not some disingenuous bureaucrats. I also believe that as adults college students should be able to make that same decision.
But I also think people beleive they are defenseless if not armed with a gun. How many agree with that statement?
Like it or not, guns are the great equalizer. Especially for women. I used to work in the jail. Police routinely brought in people who had been pepper sprayed or tasered into submission. It's not as easy or effective as some people think and many assailants were still partially successful in inflicting harm. Sometimes even to police officers.
Being hurt is not always a deterrent. A lot of people don't appreciate pain but they might think twice if it will cost them their life.
On the flipside, I think the average person has a right to feel secure and safe. Although both of those things are an illusion. All the same, pepper spray, tasers, or knives may not provide the same sense of security.
Here's the other part, attacks often come from more than one person. I have had to engage two people attacking me. I have had training in hand-to-hand, and it was still flipping hard as hell to come out on top of that fight. The average person regardless of gender, height, weight, or physical fitness would have lost that fight. Period. In fact, I consider some fortunate factors (ie: luck) that kept me from losing.
Retreat is not always an option and the threat of pain is not always a deterrent.
As I said before, any argument one makes about college ADULTS for why they cannot carry could be made for the populace at large. An argument against them applies to everyone else.
Honestly, I think the college prohibition is merely wish fulfillment for gun control advocates on a micro scale.
Well, BT, one of the great ironies I find is that most of the people I know who:
1) subscribe to the "militia" interpretation of the 2nd Amendment (which only became fashionable in the last century, not the early part of our country's history); and
2) believe in stronger gun control; and
3) think
don't realize that they would be helpless against my evil twin.
A friend and I were working out on the mat an hour ago, doing knife takeaways. He raised the pace, and almost ended up with a broken arm - since I had to match his pace, and just barely managed to disengage in time.
But I also took his training weapon.
Now, I'm a nice, law-abiding, security-cleared guy. I don't hurt people unnecessarily. But somebody my size and age, with a similar skill set, but a different moral code (or lack of a moral code) could very easily maim or kill most of the more vocal antis in a matter of seconds.
Snapping joints is easy.
Bashing heads into hard objects (curbs, door frames, table corners, etc) is easy.
Pulling somebody's head down into a rising knee is easy.
Funny thing, though, is that most of the martial arts instructors and practitioners I know also have (and utilize) carry permits. We all recognize there are always bigger, badder bears out there.
Meanwhile, I agree with Al Norris that it's nice you've led a charmed life.
I've had a knife pulled on me, once. (Talked him down; he never knew I had a .357 on him through the car door. He approached after I'd shut off the engine.)
I've been attacked by a road rager, once. (He took a swing at me, and he instantly regretted it.)
My ex-wife was followed home by a stalker and his buddy, once. (She had a gun and a dog; they ran.) She had some idiots try to rob her at a drive-up ATM, after they boxed her in. (She had a gun; they drove away.)
My best friend had to pull a gun on some carjackers in Orlando, once.
My dad's cousin's dog ran off what turned out to be a serial rapist, once. She bought a gun shortly thereafter, on the advice of both her husband and the local cops.
A fellow flight student, while transferring from Whiting to Beeville, shot and killed an armed carjacker in Louisiana, once.
Speaking of which, one of my former flight students was murdered, at random, by some idiots in Washington state who wanted to shoot a passing motorist for fun.
So I'm happy that you've never had need of a weapon. My experiences, and those of several friends and acquaintances, have not matched yours.
And I have to look askance at your contention about people thinking they're helpless - it's obnoxious. "Thinking people" aren't helpless, but recognize a serious disadvantage when they see it.
1) subscribe to the "militia" interpretation of the 2nd Amendment (which only became fashionable in the last century, not the early part of our country's history); and
2) believe in stronger gun control; and
3) think
people beleive they are defenseless if not armed with a gun
don't realize that they would be helpless against my evil twin.
A friend and I were working out on the mat an hour ago, doing knife takeaways. He raised the pace, and almost ended up with a broken arm - since I had to match his pace, and just barely managed to disengage in time.
But I also took his training weapon.
Now, I'm a nice, law-abiding, security-cleared guy. I don't hurt people unnecessarily. But somebody my size and age, with a similar skill set, but a different moral code (or lack of a moral code) could very easily maim or kill most of the more vocal antis in a matter of seconds.
Snapping joints is easy.
Bashing heads into hard objects (curbs, door frames, table corners, etc) is easy.
Pulling somebody's head down into a rising knee is easy.
Funny thing, though, is that most of the martial arts instructors and practitioners I know also have (and utilize) carry permits. We all recognize there are always bigger, badder bears out there.
Meanwhile, I agree with Al Norris that it's nice you've led a charmed life.
I've had a knife pulled on me, once. (Talked him down; he never knew I had a .357 on him through the car door. He approached after I'd shut off the engine.)
I've been attacked by a road rager, once. (He took a swing at me, and he instantly regretted it.)
My ex-wife was followed home by a stalker and his buddy, once. (She had a gun and a dog; they ran.) She had some idiots try to rob her at a drive-up ATM, after they boxed her in. (She had a gun; they drove away.)
My best friend had to pull a gun on some carjackers in Orlando, once.
My dad's cousin's dog ran off what turned out to be a serial rapist, once. She bought a gun shortly thereafter, on the advice of both her husband and the local cops.
A fellow flight student, while transferring from Whiting to Beeville, shot and killed an armed carjacker in Louisiana, once.
Speaking of which, one of my former flight students was murdered, at random, by some idiots in Washington state who wanted to shoot a passing motorist for fun.
So I'm happy that you've never had need of a weapon. My experiences, and those of several friends and acquaintances, have not matched yours.
And I have to look askance at your contention about people thinking they're helpless - it's obnoxious. "Thinking people" aren't helpless, but recognize a serious disadvantage when they see it.
Botswana is a dangerous place. My boss grew up there when it had a different name.
I find it humorous to discover that I'm an originalist. But I haven't lived a charmed (or charming) life. One makes one's own luck. Would you agree with that statement?
I still have trouble believing some things I read here, especially the ones about roaming packs of wild dogs. I will also admit to having a lot of low opinions of things carried forward from my childhood. For instance, when I was still in grade school, motorcyclists were all evil. Now I have a lot of trouble with Rolling Thunder, although I attended one of their gatherings on the Mall a few years ago. Much that I saw there merely confirmed my feelings.
Thank you, have a nice day.
I find it humorous to discover that I'm an originalist. But I haven't lived a charmed (or charming) life. One makes one's own luck. Would you agree with that statement?
I still have trouble believing some things I read here, especially the ones about roaming packs of wild dogs. I will also admit to having a lot of low opinions of things carried forward from my childhood. For instance, when I was still in grade school, motorcyclists were all evil. Now I have a lot of trouble with Rolling Thunder, although I attended one of their gatherings on the Mall a few years ago. Much that I saw there merely confirmed my feelings.
Thank you, have a nice day.