CMP 1911's

CMP 1911 pistols are:

CMP Rack Grade 1911 Price – *
CMP Field Grade 1911 Price $750
CMP Service Grade 1911 Price $850
CMP Special Grade 1911 Price $1100
Other ** $1800 +
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Pure fertilizer, just speculation and an opinion on price
 
Way too much crap. I have a c+r licence and have had pistols delivered to my door with no issues. I have purchased from the cmp in the past and it was a good experience but in the recent past they seem to be getting more greedy. You can bet that all the really good 1911's will end up on the auction site which means they will only be available to the most wealthy members. They took a lot of that Garand and carbine money and built a wonderful range facility which is great if you live in anniston alabama. I think I will sit this one out.
 
CMP 1911 pistols are:
CMP Rack Grade 1911 Price – *
CMP Field Grade 1911 Price $750
CMP Service Grade 1911 Price $850
CMP Special Grade 1911 Price $1100
Other ** $1800 +
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If these Grades and price-points track the last 5-years of experience with CMP's grading for M1 Garands, you can expect the SG and FG 1911s to be well-worn range "beaters." :rolleyes: Still shootable, but well-worn.

RG 1911s will be essentially "parts" guns, i.e., expect to have functioning issues until you, or CMP under 'warranty,' get it running properly.

Lots of luck! :cool:
 
You can pick up M1's sold by the CMP off of the street for just a bit more than you can buy them direct. I expect the same will be true of the 1911's in a year or two.
 
I'll be watching CMP's release of the 1911's with interest but won't be jumping into the fray now or maybe never. At the tentative price levels floated about, and the confusing ordering rules, I expect that once the "collector" level interest is saturated, the price level will quickly start fading.

After all, if someone just wants a good shooting 1911, new from RIA and others can be had for less than 4 bills.
 
The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled,if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.

Some preliminary decisions further clarified updated 12/12/2017:


  • CMP will have an all-new 1911 order form, 1911 purchasing instructions, a 1911 page on our web site, a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer's name attached. The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included. Everyone will be a new customer, everyone starts with no advantage or disadvantage. CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has to have its own record keeping operation with no ties to the old CMP records.

  • Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt. CMP will price at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation.

  • Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01, 02, 07 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to. These are "store front" FFLs.
    A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the "store front" FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.

  • The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check, in which the information is provided by the FFL holder to NICS, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.
    Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.

  • No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales. All 1911 orders will come in via USPS, UPS, Fed EX, etc.
    CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.

  • Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery, USPS, UPS, Fed Ex, etc.
    Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.

  • Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.

  • The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.

  • Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.

  • When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one 1911 type pistol.
    As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grades and pricing options will be available.

  • Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one the information provided by CMP to NICS and the second the information will be provided to NICS by the FFL dealer in which the pistol is shipped.

  • Ordering Information: CMP will have an all-new 1911 order form, 1911 purchasing instructions, a 1911 page on our web site, a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer name attached. The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included. Everyone will be a new customer, everyone starts with no advantage or disadvantage. CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has to have its own record keeping operation with no ties to the old CMP records.

  • Concerning sale price of the 1911s: CMP has been selling M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903s, .22s, etc. for 21+ years and we have never taken advantage of anyone. CMP is not going to start price gouging people now with the 1911s. The 1911s will be priced at fair market value just like our M1 Garands. The CMP's enabling legislation directs sales of items at fair market value.
 
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f these Grades and price-points track the last 5-years of experience with CMP's grading for M1 Garands, you can expect the SG and FG 1911s to be well-worn range "beaters." Still shootable, but well-worn.
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Perhaps because that's what the terms "rack grade" and "service grade" mean? If you don't want a firearm that would be classified as rack grade or service grade, then don't buy a firearm that's classified as service grade or field grade.
 
I am willing to be there are going to be a few more procedure changes before this thing even gets rolling. 3 updates in the last week and still no idea if and when they will get the pistols.
 
I've bought 3 Garand's from CMP. They were all very reasonable IMO and in appropriate condition for their description and price. I think you would be hard pressed to find a better deal than a Garand from CMP in whichever condition you purchase.

I see no reason to believe 1911s will be any different.
 
Just got this in email:


Concerning sale price of the 1911s: CMP has been selling M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903s, .22s, etc. for 21+ years and we have never taken advantage of anyone. CMP is not going to start price gouging people now with the 1911s. The 1911s will be priced at fair market value just like our M1 Garands. The CMP's enabling legislation directs sales of items at fair market value.
 
The more I think about it depending on actually prices I and what grades are available I might throw my hat into the lottery.
 
Even assuming yours is one of the 10K lottery tickets that gets picked, man-oh-man, unless you've got deep pockets like a Trumpster for one of the uber-correct, uber-Collector Grades, the rest of CMP's 1911s sure look to be spendy range beaters.

Hopefully they'll be shooters, ... but still pricey. :eek:
 
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I think the last I talked to a CMP shooter, who had an idea of what was going on, was this year at a Match. That CMP shooter said at that time, the CMP had not "seen" any M1911's, had no idea of condition. One thing to consider, Depot workers do not consider old rifles and pistols as sacred items. Its old metal to them. They will toss the stuff in shelters, and I mean toss, they really don't care if the shelter the weapon is stored in is leaking, and the items inside are rusting away, basically their attitude is the same as any wage grade individual attempting to maximize their salary and minimize their effort.

So don't get your hopes up about condition. I am certain once the CMP knows what it has, they will describe them well.

From what I heard about the 1911 inventory, many, most had been through a number of rebuilds since the last they were built, which was WW2, and the 1911's, as a population, were worn out. That is why in the 1970's the Army really, really had to buy new pistols. That took awhile but that is the path to the 9mm.

As for the CMP conditions. They would like to stay in business for the long run. Even with all the conditions they have created, some irresponsible individual is going to do something nut case with an CMP 1911 in the infinite future. It would be irresponsible for the CMP not to require back ground checks and whatever else they expect the future purchaser to do. I remember getting my one and only DCM Garand, and I had to go down the Police Station to find someone who could fingerprint me, as I had to turn in a fingerprint card with a bunch of other required DCM paperwork.

Now if you don't want to pay a preminium for a worn out piece of history, if instead you want a new GI Configuration 1911, let me suggest a Rock Island GI.

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These are tighter than any GI 1911. In fact mine, is somewhere between Kimber and Les Baer tight, I am really impressed. These are made of alloy steels, instead of plain carbon, and Cabelas has them on sale for $399.00. With a $100 gift card, you could get a M1911 for just around $300.00. I don't see a reason to pay a romance tax, for an old piece of metal, just because it is old. I have been there, and guess what, you don't get what you pay for. You are paying a premium for emotions, because you have an emotional attachment to something that does not reciprocate your feelings. I would rather shoot the stuff and antiques fall apart with use. Your beneficiaries will be grateful, of course, if you left them a high value hunk of steel, but actually, they would be more grateful if you left them a big pile of cash instead of some firearm that will be difficult to sell.

So, stop your complaining. If you want a GI configuration 1911 to shoot, there are better, and cheaper options around. If you want a GI 1911, because of your feelings and emotions, there are some hoops to jump, and some cash to pay. Just wait and see what the CMP has to offer.
 
RIAs are of general "1911" shape, but so many of the contours are off, that while it will certainly satisfy anyone who wants to shoot a 1911-style pistol, if military appearance is important, then tracking down a Springfield G.I., discontinued some years ago, would provide a much better representation, appearance-wise, and much closer to government specs.
The Colt M1991A1 ("old roll mark" models from the '90s), even though it's in Series 80 form, is much closer to G.I. in appearance, and it's almost "the real thing".
Of course, either will cost closer to $600 than $300.
 
RIAs are of general "1911" shape, but so many of the contours are off, that while it will certainly satisfy anyone who wants to shoot a 1911-style pistol, if military appearance is important, then tracking down a Springfield G.I., discontinued some years ago, would provide a much better representation, appearance-wise, and much closer to government specs.
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I earned my Distinguished Rifleman's with an M1a which was considered a "Service Rifle". From 10 feet away it was impossible to tell any difference between it, and the real M14's the Marine Team was using. Not that the appearance of any of these rifles made a difference on paper. Appearance of a firearm does not create holes on target, and only hits count.

I was not interested in the look, I wanted something that was tight and a thumb cocker. The original WW1 period M1911 was meant to be carried, round in the chamber, hammer down, in the flap holster. If you can get the hammer down, without dropping the hammer on the way, it is very hard to have an accidental discharge with the M1911. The pistol was meant to be thumb cocked upon presentation and the WW1 pistols had a short grip safety and wide hammer spurs to make the thing easy to thumb cock. The A1 model is not as easy to thumb cock, but it is a darn sight easier to thumb cock than 1911's with beavertails, and a darn sight easier to uncock, than a 1911 with a beavertail. If I carry this thing, I have the short period trigger, which is excellent for my stubby fingers, and I can lower the hammer easily, on a round in the chamber, and I can thumb cock it easily on presentation. Those were attributes I was looking for, plus a good trigger pull and mechanical fit.


The Colt M1991A1 ("old roll mark" models from the '90s), even though it's in Series 80 form, is much closer to G.I. in appearance, and it's almost "the real thing".
Of course, either will cost closer to $600 than $300.
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I went to the local gun store and examined a new Colt GI Government model, I don't know the exact model number but it had an arched backstrap and looked GI configuration, and it was not $600 but around $850. It was new, and was looser than my Rock Island. I am certain it was a good gun, but as I pointed out to the guy behind the counter, I could buy his new Llama for $400, and it was tighter than the Colt.
 
First, I think everybody is talking past each other.
There are three sides
Side 1 wants a GI pistol to shoot. They are better off like Slamfire, buying a copy.
Side 2 wants a GI pistol as a significant historical artifact and collector's item. They will get their wish. Condition is not now predictable but at least they won't be cheated like so many are in the current market.
Side 3 does not see the point in overpriced Army surplus.

Comment on condition. Repeat, I don't know if the 1033 police militarization program is drawing from the same pool as the CMP, but we can hope they are. Those guns are nice.

Second, I wonder why the copiers cannot copy.
 
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