CMP 1911's
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Hope this doesn’t violate and forum rules. Got this today.
all CMP constituents:
The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.
Some preliminary decisions further clarified:
Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.
A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.
The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check performed by the FFL holder, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.
Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.
all CMP constituents:
The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.
Some preliminary decisions further clarified:
Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.
A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.
The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check performed by the FFL holder, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.
Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.
I read something that estimated the price of CMP 1911 pistols to be about 30-50% less than the current market price. The market price for WWII M1911 pistols is about $1000 – $4000+. $2000 seems to be the going price for Service Grade pistols.
Based on the market prices, the CMP’s pricing history and the the increase of supply that these pistols will bring to the market, a guesstimate of pricing for CMP 1911 pistols are:
CMP Rack Grade 1911 Price – *
CMP Field Grade 1911 Price $750
CMP Service Grade 1911 Price $850
CMP Special Grade 1911 Price $1100
Other ** $1800 +
* This source did not expect there to be rack grade pistols for sale by the CMP initially.
** Depending on what is in the Army inventory, there could be a range of rare pistols in their own categories, but not rare enough to go to auction.
I personally hope the prices will be lower than these estimates. Many people are hoping for $500 1911 pistols but this source does not realistically expect this to happen. Modern 1911 pistols are popular enough in their own right without the added attraction of being military surplus.
Based on the market prices, the CMP’s pricing history and the the increase of supply that these pistols will bring to the market, a guesstimate of pricing for CMP 1911 pistols are:
CMP Rack Grade 1911 Price – *
CMP Field Grade 1911 Price $750
CMP Service Grade 1911 Price $850
CMP Special Grade 1911 Price $1100
Other ** $1800 +
* This source did not expect there to be rack grade pistols for sale by the CMP initially.
** Depending on what is in the Army inventory, there could be a range of rare pistols in their own categories, but not rare enough to go to auction.
I personally hope the prices will be lower than these estimates. Many people are hoping for $500 1911 pistols but this source does not realistically expect this to happen. Modern 1911 pistols are popular enough in their own right without the added attraction of being military surplus.
Aside from the one I carried for a part of my first tour, 47 years ago, (a 1943 Remington-Rand in nearly new condition), I'm not interested. A decade ago, I found one that matched that pistol in all but serial number...it's a good shooter too...groups with selected loads running down around 2"-2.5". Rod
I suspect those prices are just someone's vivid imagination. I would like to think they would be so reasonably priced.
The only thing that worries me is the lottery system since I am not a lucky sort. It would be just my luck I would get a high number and all the premium pistols were gone by the time I got to choose.
At least they are attempting to limiting it to one per person per year.
The only thing that worries me is the lottery system since I am not a lucky sort. It would be just my luck I would get a high number and all the premium pistols were gone by the time I got to choose.
At least they are attempting to limiting it to one per person per year.
If I recall correctly (it's been a few years since I ordered from the CMP), the 2A is the form with your personal info that has to be filled out and then signed in the presence of a Notary.
A scan of your concealed weapons permit will suffice as "proof of participation in a marksmanship activity".
Aguila Blanca
Staff
????Fishbed77 said:
trophyrider
New member
Copied from the CMP website.
Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity:
You must provide proof of participation in a marksmanship related activity or otherwise show familiarity with the safe handling of firearms and range procedures. Your marksmanship related activity does not have to be with highpower rifles; it can be with smallbore rifles, pistols, air guns or shotguns. Proof of marksmanship participation can be provided by documenting any of the following:
Current or past military service.
Current or past law enforcement service
Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin).
Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor). Visit https://ct.thecmp.org/app/v1/index.php?do=match&task=search to find an upcoming CMP sanctioned clinic or match.
Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status.
Concealed Carry License.
Firearms Owner Identification Cards that included live fire training. - FFL or C&R license.
Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training.
Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity. Complete the CMP Marksmanship Form to certify your range firing and the required marksmanship related activity for an individual to purchase from the CMP.
Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity:
You must provide proof of participation in a marksmanship related activity or otherwise show familiarity with the safe handling of firearms and range procedures. Your marksmanship related activity does not have to be with highpower rifles; it can be with smallbore rifles, pistols, air guns or shotguns. Proof of marksmanship participation can be provided by documenting any of the following:
Current or past military service.
Current or past law enforcement service
Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin).
Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor). Visit https://ct.thecmp.org/app/v1/index.php?do=match&task=search to find an upcoming CMP sanctioned clinic or match.
Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status.
Concealed Carry License.
Firearms Owner Identification Cards that included live fire training. - FFL or C&R license.
Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training.
Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity. Complete the CMP Marksmanship Form to certify your range firing and the required marksmanship related activity for an individual to purchase from the CMP.
Model12Win
Moderator
Nonsense.Most of these CMP 1911s in condition will be overpriced range "beaters," but will still be consigned to the back of the buyer's safe on the belief they carry some sort of magical "collector" value.
The original M1911A1 service pistols are INCREDIBLY collectible firearms.
Where are these guns coming from? Army?? Navy?? Marine? Air Force???
No doubt some will be finish worn, some might be mechanically worn, but all will be functional and meet service requirements.
I inspected the .45s of a couple of Army divisions in the mid 70s. Some were pretty worn looking, a few were almost new 1911s (not 1911A1s).
You might get something that went through Guadalcanal and Chosen, (and looks like it) or you might get something that lived in a Navy arms room since 1928, and only saw guard duty and some officers yearly qualification shooting (if that).
I would assume that if the gun you go to pick up isn't up to your standards, you could refuse the sale, and get your money back. If you want an actual GI gun, these are it. If you want something that meets today's standards, go buy something else.
And, no, I won't be buying one. I had one for many years, my desire for them has already been met, for many years.