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Chris Kyle murdered
- Thread starter BudW
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First of all, it is exceedingly dangerous to make a diagnosis via media reports of a sensationalized event.
That said, the development of paranoid delusions can be very much a part of complex PTSD. The statements attributed to the killer would be consistent with that particular variation of a paranoid delusion. While tyme is correct that the killer was in the prime risk age range, there is generally a long, slow decent into schizophrenia starting several years earlier. While this is not always the case, an abrupt breakdown in reality testing is more Hollywood than reality. In addition, there is rarely a proximate cause such as combat. Extreme stress can cause a brief reactive psychosis, but this is usually a circumscribed event with full recovery coming quickly. In the end, there is not enough known about the killer's pre-morbid condition to warrant making the call one way or another.
Again, with caveats because the media reports are the source, it sounds as if the killer had on at least one and possibly two recent occasions been involuntarily hospitalized. If this is the case, then he would have been a "prohibited person" with respect to buying, possessing, or USING firearms. For me, it begs the question of why the family didn't inform Chief Kyle and his friend of this status.
That said, the development of paranoid delusions can be very much a part of complex PTSD. The statements attributed to the killer would be consistent with that particular variation of a paranoid delusion. While tyme is correct that the killer was in the prime risk age range, there is generally a long, slow decent into schizophrenia starting several years earlier. While this is not always the case, an abrupt breakdown in reality testing is more Hollywood than reality. In addition, there is rarely a proximate cause such as combat. Extreme stress can cause a brief reactive psychosis, but this is usually a circumscribed event with full recovery coming quickly. In the end, there is not enough known about the killer's pre-morbid condition to warrant making the call one way or another.
Again, with caveats because the media reports are the source, it sounds as if the killer had on at least one and possibly two recent occasions been involuntarily hospitalized. If this is the case, then he would have been a "prohibited person" with respect to buying, possessing, or USING firearms. For me, it begs the question of why the family didn't inform Chief Kyle and his friend of this status.
Armorer-at-Law
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His family may not have had the opportunity or even known in advance about the outing with Kyle and Littlefield.For me, it begs the question of why the family didn't inform Chief Kyle and his friend of this status.
They have a donation link on his companies site now.
You can also round up to the nearest $5 or $10 if you are buying gear off his site...
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You can also round up to the nearest $5 or $10 if you are buying gear off his site...
http://www.thecraft.com/
Brian Pfleuger
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Armorer-at-Law said:His family may not have had the opportunity or even known in advance about the outing with Kyle and Littlefield.
The killer's mother had asked Kyle to help her son. One would hope that she had informed Kyle of her son's history, and she may well have.
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There is none so dangerous as the one that we believe is not dangerous.
This whole situation is food for thought for those who think they can live their entire lives in "Yellow" or "Red" or whatever they want to call it. Some situations can not be calculated from within our world looking out.
This reminds me of comments after Newtown. "How could that mother have taken him to a gun range!" No mother thinks her son is capable of this, no parent does. If you disagree with me on that, you probably don't have children.
A good many people have been killed by loved ones simply because they could not, would not, fight back.
While I have no doubt that Kyle would have fought back, given the chance, I am equally certain that he could not forsee this situation.
Troubled Marine, PTSD, needs help, Kyle helps people. He's troubled, not a killer. Until he is.
Armorer-at-Law
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I had forgotton that.The killer's mother had asked Kyle to help her son.
Double Naught Spy
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Just like to point out that Eddie Ray Routh is a war hero as well.
Yes, and now he may be a double murderer.
Veterans, LTC Grossman; Chris Kyle....
The sad events & senseless murder of US Navy SEAL Chris Kyle should finally wake a lot of people up to the serious problem of PTSD & the use of firearms by those with mental health issues/medication.
I wrote a few forum remarks on TFL before about why veterans with VA disabilities or those who are in documented treatment programs(PTSD, stalking, domestic violence, trespass-ban from property, PFAs/restraining orders, threats, suicide-self harm attempts, etc) should not own or use loaded firearms. That includes hunting or target shooting.
These people or veterans may be unstable or lash out in public.
It's not fair or prudent to tell a veteran or a private citizen; you can get 100% disability or a full pension for a mental health issue then say it's okay for the same person to carry a concealed firearm or to hunt with a shotgun/rifle.
As for understanding PTSD & combat related mental illness, I would advise the forum members read LTC David Grossman's On Killing & On Combat. Grossman, a trained mental health expert, US Army officer & Airborne Ranger has good insight in these subjects. I don't agree with all of it but it's worth reading for anyone who wants to learn about veterans & combat related mindsets/behavior.
Chris Kyle was an American hero & true patriot. Like the death of Pat Tillman(the NFL football star who became a US Army Ranger after 9-11-2001), this event is a real shame.
CF
The sad events & senseless murder of US Navy SEAL Chris Kyle should finally wake a lot of people up to the serious problem of PTSD & the use of firearms by those with mental health issues/medication.
I wrote a few forum remarks on TFL before about why veterans with VA disabilities or those who are in documented treatment programs(PTSD, stalking, domestic violence, trespass-ban from property, PFAs/restraining orders, threats, suicide-self harm attempts, etc) should not own or use loaded firearms. That includes hunting or target shooting.
These people or veterans may be unstable or lash out in public.
It's not fair or prudent to tell a veteran or a private citizen; you can get 100% disability or a full pension for a mental health issue then say it's okay for the same person to carry a concealed firearm or to hunt with a shotgun/rifle.
As for understanding PTSD & combat related mental illness, I would advise the forum members read LTC David Grossman's On Killing & On Combat. Grossman, a trained mental health expert, US Army officer & Airborne Ranger has good insight in these subjects. I don't agree with all of it but it's worth reading for anyone who wants to learn about veterans & combat related mindsets/behavior.
Chris Kyle was an American hero & true patriot. Like the death of Pat Tillman(the NFL football star who became a US Army Ranger after 9-11-2001), this event is a real shame.
CF
carpshooter
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Here's what I think !
Very sad !
Very sad !
Double Naught Spy
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Chris Kyle was an American hero & true patriot. Like the death of Pat Tillman(the NFL football star who became a US Army Ranger after 9-11-2001), this event is a real shame.
It is a shame when any of a vets are killed or wounded, whether they are famous or not. There have been numerous veterans killed that we have failed to morn, veterans we never heard of before they were murdered, but who were just as patriotic and heroic such as David James or Patrick Fleming.
oldflathead
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Chris Kyle's Book, "American Gun"
May Chris Kyle rest in peace and may God bless his family.
"American Gun - A history of the U.S. in ten firearms" was Chris Kyle's second book after "American Sniper". My wife gave me a copy yesterday, 11 June as an early Fathers Day gift. I began reading it and could not stop as I own five of the ten guns Chris discusses.
A GREAT read! Buy a copy to help Chris Kyle's family.
We should start another Post to discuss the ten gun choices he made.
Tom
May Chris Kyle rest in peace and may God bless his family.
"American Gun - A history of the U.S. in ten firearms" was Chris Kyle's second book after "American Sniper". My wife gave me a copy yesterday, 11 June as an early Fathers Day gift. I began reading it and could not stop as I own five of the ten guns Chris discusses.
A GREAT read! Buy a copy to help Chris Kyle's family.
We should start another Post to discuss the ten gun choices he made.
Tom
g.willikers
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His book is well displayed at a couple of the large book stores in our area.
One had it lined up on shelves, right behind the checkout and cashier.
Couldn't miss it.
One had it lined up on shelves, right behind the checkout and cashier.
Couldn't miss it.
bamaranger
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Just finished reading KYLE's "American Sniper" book. Throughout the text I was constantly impressed by his warrior spirit, he wanted in the fight and he wanted to make a difference.
Darn shame.
Just finished reading KYLE's "American Sniper" book. Throughout the text I was constantly impressed by his warrior spirit, he wanted in the fight and he wanted to make a difference.
Darn shame.
I picked up his book "American Sniper" last night while I was in town. I got home late but couldn't resist opening it and had planned to only read a few pages then go to sleep. 270 some pages later my eyes finally crashed shut on me about 3 a.m. I can't wait to get home from work to finish the book and I cannot remember the last time I felt that away about anything printed on paper.
At work today I keep thinking how fortunate his children are to have his autobiography now that he is gone. Obviously we would prefer he was still here as those kids' father and the walking, talking embodiment of everything great about America. I know they are young but when they are ready, their father's story will be there waiting for them.
At work today I keep thinking how fortunate his children are to have his autobiography now that he is gone. Obviously we would prefer he was still here as those kids' father and the walking, talking embodiment of everything great about America. I know they are young but when they are ready, their father's story will be there waiting for them.