Chris Kyle murdered

PTSD

I've lived with a relative for more than a decade who had PTSD and has recovered from it since. It was the result of a very nasty life or death incident. They have been very open about the issues, causes and remedies. Talking about the event, the trauma, and feelings are a key recovery mechanism. Holding it in is a road to hell for the person and those around them. Drug only therapies only putoff the inevitable hell. Flashbacks, rapid and prolonged anxiety and grief can all be manifests of PTSD with 0 warning.

"Flashbacks" are a big problem, they are a very rapid re-living of part or all of a very traumatic event. They are unpredictable with regard to intensity, timing, triggers or resulting actions by the person. They can be like a quick chill in a scary movie that lasts 5 seconds, or can cause a conscious or unconsious blackout that may last for hours or days, or may induce very high anxiety. I believe psychologist call this an "S2" response. In one instance my relative saw a book on a shelf, the name on it was the same as the last name of one of the persons involved in the traumatic event. The result was very high anxiety for a day, starting with the inability to speak and loss of peripheral vision.
On the flip side, we were at a movie and one of the scenes was a reminder. After about a minute of controlled breathing and counting they were fine.

With time and talking about it openly, the symptoms diminish to a manageable, then almost unnoticeable level.
If PSTD sufferers talk about the experience with people who care, the road to recovery is much easier. What we have seen over a decade is going from a tough flashback every few weeks to less than one mild anxiety attack annually, about the same as sneaking up on someone and saying BOO.

Finally, we have noticed that when our relative "charges PTSD head-on" (such as intentionally going to a movie related to their trauma), they may have a minor flashback during the movie but come out more in control every time.

I hope that helps. I apologise in advance if some of this is vague but I don't want to provide linkages to the person, personally identifiable information and the event that triggered the PTSD.
 
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From the Star Telegram, it was Routh's mother that asked Chris Kyle to help her son.

Jodi Leigh Routh, the suspect's mother, had reached out to Kyle to ask him to help her son, said Clint Burgess, a Tarrant County constable and Kyle's friend. Kyle did not know Eddie Routh, but knew his mother, Burgess said in an email from New Orleans.

"She was worried about her son and asked Chris if he could help him overcome PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder)," Burgess said.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/02/03/4596644/sheriff-navy-seal-and-friend-shot.html#storylink=cpy
 
Drug only therapies only putoff the inevitable hell.

IMO, drugs are the root cause of many mass killings,far to many medical "experts" are quick to dispense pills and especially for young hyperactive boys perhaps with good intentions but end up harming far too many.

Take notice the media tends to ignore drugs and use firearms as the cause since firearms fit there agenda.

The military also has a high rate of suicide with little comment from media.

I hope Chris's family can find some peace in the fact he was a patriot always trying to do the right thing.
 
I saw a website on which posters were making comments heralding this as a good thing and that he got what he deserved, etc. I got so infuriated by the ramblings of those scumbags that I could not just change sites, but had to shut down my computer and go outside for a while. No doubt these people would have spit on the soldiers returning from Vietnam in the day. They want to use the freedoms that our military protects yet villify the protectors. I am starting to fume again just thinking about that site, so I'll stop.

Just going to say the man was a hero and his death is a loss for the nation. It was a sad case for the two men killed and the shooter. RIP
 
^ I saw that page too. It's infuriating.

Also, a lot of people on my facebook have taken up the "It happened at a gun range surrounded by people with guns, so how do guns make you safe?" war cry.
Completely oblivious to the fact that they were the only ones at the range that day. People's ignorance, stupidity, and lack of respect really brings the worst out in me.

With all that has gone on lately with the spreading of false information through the mouths of mass media, politicians, etc. we need to make sure we keep our cool though. Don't want to pull a James Yeager. :rolleyes:
 
Also, a lot of people on my facebook have taken up the "It happened at a gun range surrounded by people with guns, so how do guns make you safe?" war cry.
Matix and Platt also killed folks who were target shooting at the time. It happens. That doesn't prove anything.

Some misguided and ignorant folks will try to politicize anything. We don't need to take the bait.
 
Such a sad way for a military hero to die......killed by a "friend' or shooting buddy.

May God comfort his family and friends.
 
Depending on how you look at it, Terry, you may feel better in knowing that he wasn't shot by a friend or a shooting buddy per se, but somebody apparently not well known to him that he was trying to help.
 
Chris lived his active duty life helping and saving fellow soldiers by doing what he did.

He had chosen to help and save fellow soldiers in his inactive life and paid with the ultimate sacrifice.

Some times this world is a fickled place.

A true hero.

RIP Chris.

Prayers to your family and the family of the slain neighbor.
 
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What was going on for 2.5 hours that witnesses to the shooting didn't summon help?

http://www.yourstephenvilletx.com/hero/article_f2599c1e-6f05-11e2-aa16-0019bb2963f4.html

"Less than two hours later, a hunting guide found the deceased victims and called 911."

Suggests they were alone at the range. Rough Creek Lodge's website says the place has a 1000-yd rifle range. Those are in short supply in North Texas, so they probably knew Kyle and let him and his friend run the range, even if normal protocol would have been to assign staff to watch over visitors.

There are several outdoor handgun / 100yd rifle ranges closer to where the alleged shooter lived, so they might have gone to Glen Rose specifically because the place had a long-distance rifle range.
 
Thanks tyme, I had seen this already in the Star Telegram article I cited above. That "witnesses" stated the victims were "opened up" on around 3:30 is some particularly specific information when in reality, the last folks to apparently report seeing the group was apparently at about 3:15 when they checked in at the lodge's facility. The original confusing statement seemed to indicate that they knew at the time when the victims were shot. That is what seemed so strange.

The original reported witness statement made by the press (and maybe a product of the press) differed significantly from probably what was actually witnessed and that was that the group was seen checking in and the last shots heard from the range where they were believed to be before the bodies were discovered were around 3:30. It wasn't originally stated at the time that the bodies were discovered a long period of time after being shot.
 
While PTSD probably had a lot to do with this, it does look like theft was at least a partial motive.

According to an article I read just a couple hours ago, Routh went to his sister's house in the F250, and told her he had traded his soul for a new truck.

She tried to get him to turn himself in, but he told her he planned to drive to Oklahoma in order to evade Texas law enforcement.

Would he have killed for a truck, if he did not have PTSD? Hard to say. But he seemed to think of himself as a murderer and thief, based on what he allegedly told his sister.
 
MLeake,
If he had a flashback that lasted a minute or two at the gun range, it's not unreasonable (from my understanding and living with a close relative going through PTSD) that he would have assumed the two he killed were trying to kill him, and he was defending himself. He could have had a conscious or unconscious blackout, but appears to have remembered what he did if the sister's recount is accurate.

Or it could have been seen as a quick F250 for the price of 2 trigger pulls and a soul.

Irrespective its a tragedy for several families.
 
There may be more to it than that. He apparently became exceptionally paranoid, killed Kyle and Littlefield, and got the truck as a result...

When Routh arrived around 5:45 p.m., his brother-in-law Gaines Blevins said he was “acting and talking strangely.” Routh told his brother-in-law and sister, Laura, that he and two other people “were out shooting target practice and he couldn’t trust them so he killed them before they could kill him.” Routh told them “he traded his soul for a new truck.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...kyle-chad-littlefield-feared-for-her-life.ece
 
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