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It's an important distiction, because Islam claims allah is the one true god, the Judeo/Christians claim "god" as the one true god, which means there's conflict at the most basic level.

Just to clarify: Allah is the word all Arabic speakers, Christian or otherwise, use for God. It's like Deus or God...they're words that come from pre-Christian sources, but end up being applied to the Israelite God. There are no Islamic authorities who deny that the word Allah comes from the adoration of the moon God, that I'm aware of.

So it's not as much a conflict as you might think. Muhammad actually thought the Jews and Christians would follow him based on his preaching about what he believed to be their God. Islamic theology is actually most closely related not to pre-monotheistic arab religion, but to Nestorian Christianity.

So in the end...same God, different prophet or religious Leadership, like Christians and Jews. It's a real shame that we can't get all the terrorists to follow what their religion really teaches.
 
So in the end...same God, different prophet or religious Leadership, like Christians and Jews.
Entirely incorrect. The Judeo/Christian god is not the Islamic god.

Besides the evidence listed (and ignored), plain common sense clearly shows this.

For a good life, the Judeo/Christian god rewards by bring your soul to heaven, to know god and his love for eternity.

For a good life, the Islamic god might reward you with 72 boy and girl virgins for an eternity of carnal pleasure.

Does this sound like the same god? The Judeo/Christian god would never reward you with something that, if done in life, would damn you. An eternity of buggering boys and deflowering virgin girls is a pagan afterlife, showing the pagan roots of Islam. A Jew or Christian would think they were in hell, if that was their "reward".

There's nothing wrong with paganism, as long as you hurt no one else, worship as you please is my opinion. But logic and common sense shows a stark contrast between the two different gods, the Islamic claims that they are the same cannot be more incorrect.
 
Rebar,

The evidence you posted was on the origin of the Word. Deus and God were not originally Christian words either.
For a good life, the Islamic god might reward you with 72 boy and girl virgins for an eternity of carnal pleasure.

Does this sound like the same god? The Judeo/Christian god would never reward you with something that, if done in life, would damn you. An eternity of buggering boys and deflowering virgin girls is a pagan afterlife, showing the pagan roots of Islam. A Jew or Christian would think they were in hell, if that was their "reward".

First of all, being wrong about God doesn't mean you believe in a different God. Jesus is not even remotely like the Old Testament God....unconditional forgiveness is nowhere in Jewish thinking. But that doesn't mean that Christians don't believe in the same God that jews do.

Second, homosexuality and child abuse is condemned by every single version of Islamic law, wahhabist included. The most radical of the radicals in Islam condemn any sexual contact between the same sexes whatsoever, so the claim that heaven has a reward of child molestation is not only inflammatory, it's flat out untrue. The mainstream Sunni Fiqh predicts a reward of 72 wives in heaven. That's the truth of Islamic teaching on the subject.

I'm interested...can you provide a source that shows the Arabian pagan religion which provides 72 wives in the afterlife? If you can't, I fail to see how you can support the claim that this is a pagan teaching.

There's nothing wrong with paganism, as long as you hurt no one else, worship as you please is my opinion.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Paganism either. It's just that Islam is clearly not a pagan religion. It is nothing like Arabian pre-islamic religion (of which we still know a little from various Bedouin traditions), and it is very much like Nestorian Christianity, which dates to the earliest Christian cults following the time of Jesus.

Rebar, we're back to this issue of how to find out about a religion: If I want to find out what Christians believe, I'll go ask a Christian. Same for Jews. Yet, you seem to be relying only on anti-Islamic sources for finding out what Islam believes. You don't have to, but I think it would sure help you to elaborate your criticisms of Islam to actually read the Koran and Hadiths, and to investigate the primary traditions of fiqh. It's a religion that can be criticized (like any other), but I think you'll find your positions much more accepted and convincing if you get a good grasp on what Muslims actually believe.
 
Rebar I think if you do some research on Chritianity it borrowed from paganism as well..........


although I confess that I dont understand the pagan-terrorism connection

So I guess our next big terror threat will be the Wiccan Liberation Front?
 
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