Cheney shoots hunting partner (multiple threads merged)

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I believe that it was an accident, but far far more details need to come out for me to believe Cheney's version of events. After all, this administration isn't exactly known for it's openess.
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That's right! According to moveon.org, Carl Rove [:eek: CARL ROVE :eek: ] planned the shooting, as well as the entire cover-up. We all know that Cheney intentionally shot his friend! I would suggest a congressional investigation immediately! :rolleyes:

You state that you believe that it was an accident. If so, what specifically makes you doubt "Cheney's version of events"? Are you asserting that Cheney lied about what happened? Which specific facts that have been explained by Cheney do you not believe?

Or perhaps certain people who hate "this administration" are attempting to spin this incident?
 
stiofan, there's a huge difference between failure to disclose personal health issues and failure to disclose what is looking like a negligent and potentially criminal act.
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Even the owner of the ranch has said that alcohol was available at some point during the day. Why was it available at all?
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Since there was alcohol available shortly before they went hunting, and they all knew it, then the lawyer was partly responsible for his fate. Without any impairment, bird hunting is already more dangerous and prone to these kinds of accidents; mixing it with alcohol, if that's what happened, is unacceptable. They should have gone bowling.
 
Hmm, moveon.org is usually good for a laugh, but I'm more concerned about how the story, especially coming from Ms. Armstrong seems to change. Again, I'm just going by what I've read about the incident, but when Cheney admits to a beer at lunch of Fox, yet Armstrong says that there was absolutely no alcohol seems odd. Especially after hearing her say that the hunting party may have had alcohol available to them.
 
I tell you when there is absolutely nothing to talk about and no one to degrade, I guess digging from the bottom of the barrel is what happened here.
 
And the "Top Story" at nra.org:

"NRA Collegiate Pistol Championships Set for Fort Benning, Georgia"

Here's what the NRA has to say about Cheney's accident:

*** sound of crickets ***
 
Overman - Just wait. They'll address the issue.

Unlike the Brady's, they'll actually *think* and *prepare* a statement rather than just throwing a knee-jerk response to the press. I'd bet that they don't give Cheney a free pass.
 
"Here's what the NRA has to say about Cheney's accident:

*** sound of crickets ***"


So? Do you really believe it's headline news? It's barely news at all. The only important thing is Mr. Whittington's health and that's barely been mentioned in the news reports or internet postings I've seen.

I still say the entire incident is really nobody's business but Mr. Whittington's, Mr. Cheney's, the medical staff involved and local law enforcement.

The rest of the crying and wailing is just so much fluff, especially the talking heads bemoaning the fact that they didn't learn of the incident immediately. So what, too bad, tough cookies & why is it any of their business. Bunch of tragedy vultures is what they are.

Now I feel better.

John
 
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stiofan, there's a huge difference between failure to disclose personal health issues and failure to disclose what is looking like a negligent and potentially criminal act.
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We all have opinions, that's what these forums are for. But the media has gone on such a feeding frenzy although it was an accident from all reports so far. They are frothing not so much that it occured, but that the story wasn't released until the next morning, and then to a small paper at that. They got their panties in a bunch that the Washington press corps was left out of the initial loop.

Reid suffered a stroke, didn't report it for 3 days, and since it was minor nothing further was said about it. Which is just how waiting 14 hours or so to report this incident should have been handled. Obviously there is a double standard by the media (and by Reid, who is on record accusing Cheney of being secretive about not speaking up sooner).
 
No, this was a coverup, as evidenced by the conflicting statements about whether Cheney had had alcohol, and the secret service turning away the local sheriff.
 
Actually the report linked to doesn't reflect any decrepancy in the alcohol statements. Cheney said he had a beer at lunch 5 hours earlier, and Whittington said there "was no alcohol during the hunt". I wouldn't consider a beer 5 hours earlier to be during the hunt, but maybe you and the Smoking Gun do.
 
Katharine Armstrong made conflicting statements (to the press... I don't see anything about it in the sheriff's reports) about whether there was alcohol at all, and then whether anyone who was hunting had had any alcohol. At best, she was being evasive because she knew any mention of alcohol consumed by any of the hunters would be bad PR. At worst... she could be lying, and Cheney could be lying. We all know that someone claiming "one beer" can mean three.

Are we sure it was 5 hours? The accident was around 5:30pm. I usually eat lunch around 2, but then again I don't drink alcohol at lunch so what do I know?
 
You LEOs' know that most times when you ask a drunk has he had anything to drink he says, "one beer, couple hours ago>". Then he can't walk a straight line or stand on one foot or hit his self in the @@@ with either hand. However, after a few hours he can do both---maybe thats why the LEO was turned back.
It is my understanding that the VP has a history of alcohol abuse. Is it true?
 
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"At worst... she could be lying, and Cheney could be lying. We all know that someone claiming "one beer" can mean three."

And that's your proof of a cover-up? Two people could be lying? Please feel free to try again if you like, but it's not at all convincing. You've stretched so far you're in danger of falling over. And the old one beer can mean three is proof of nothing. More overreaching on your part.

John
 
At worst... she could be lying, and Cheney could be lying. We all know that someone claiming "one beer" can mean three.
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Ah....I see now. I now understand the logic behind the assertion that there is a cover-up:
Someone else could be lying = Cheney could be lying = Cheney is lying = existance of a conspiracy/cover up!

And why stop at the assertion that one beer really means three? Actually, Cheney's claim that he consumed one beer really means that he was smoking crack cocaine! And Karl Rove purchased the crack cocaine and supplied it to Cheney, so we need to have a congressional investigation about Rove, too. :D

Come on, guys. Can't we come up with better spin than this? Frankly, I'm disappointed; it is almost as weak as the "Judge Alito is sexist and racist, so he shouldn't be confirmed" spin.
 
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I love it!!

Actually I thought he was actually dating Lewinski herself. Cheyney heard she was good at a certian act, and he with his weak heart and all, wanted to see what all the fuss was about. He can't move around like he used to, so Lewinski seeked like a good solution....
 
tyme,

Apparently when YOU drink and hunt or shoot, or when YOU drink and drive, YOU have 3 beers or so - this does NOT mean Chenney, or me, or anyone else who is responsible does. IF I was to have a beer with lunch, knowing I was going hunting or shooting or driving in a few hours, I could & would certainly limit myself to 1 - not that hard to do really. Yes, Chenney COULD BE lying - but he just doesn't appear that irresponsible.

Another thing - the cops were called 'immediately' - THEY scheduled the interview the next morning NOT Cheney.

You conspiracy guys are really reaching...AND projecting your irresponsible habits upon others.
 
Oh come on, shield20. You didn't know that Cheyney tried to kill him because the lawyer guy was going to the press about the US gubment's longtime relationship with aliens? Cheyney let it slip over lunch while they all were doing jello shots, don't ya know. He had to plug the leak..
 
SSSHHH! Its a BIG secret!...I see it all now - I bet he is having an affair with an alien (and the secret service guys like to watch - which is why they covered up for him) ;)

Ohhh - and on THAT subject - the 4th person on the grassy noll was with HER HUSBAND - don't think all that much hanky panky was going on.

Serious though, after watching Cheyney's interview with FOX, aren't you glad HE is in there dealing with terrorism, Iran, China etc etc etc instead of that treasonous twit Gore? (or Edwards)?
 
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