Dave Chuppa
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2 guns with 2 reloads for each. Every day all day.
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And; A 125 grain 357 magnum at 1300 FPS from a 2 1/2" barrel has significantly more power than the same bullet fired as a 38+P at 900 FPS, it is not the same wound channel.
OK, permanent wound channel.
From the FBI report on Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness:
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Kinetic energy does not wound. Temporary cavity does not wound. The much discussed "shock" of bullet impact is a fable and "knock down" power is a myth. The critical element is penetration.
Even those who have espoused the significance of temporary cavity agree that it is not a factor in handgun wounds:
"In the case of low-velocity missiles, e.g., pistol bullets, the bullet produces a direct path of destruction with very little lateral extension within the surrounding tissues. Only a small temporary cavity is produced. To cause significant injuries to a structure, a pistol bullet must strike that structure directly. The amount of kinetic energy lost in tissue by a pistol bullet is insufficient to cause remote injuries produced by a high velocity rifle bullet.
That may vary according to what tissue is penetrated, but given enough penetration and the same size bullet, the important factor is what is hit, and a big part of that will likely depend upon how many hits are achieved.
Projectile fragmentation can greatly augment the effects of temporary cavity effects by providing points of weakness on which the stretch is focused rather than being absorbed evenly by the tissue mass.
testuser wrote For example, gang members in my small city have been targeting pedestrians during daylight hours. They rush the person either emerging from a vehicle, hiding spot, or from behind and beat them senseless. It's a gang initiation.
Amigo, would you happen to have a link to news stories about this one?
Better question (to my way of thinking) ...
How many people that lawfully carry a CCW weapon are capable of accurately & effectively using whatever number of rounds are available to them, especially under the stressful and demanding conditions that can occur during an unexpected dynamic, chaotic and rapidly changing deadly force situation, probably occurring in poor light?
How many are adequately familiar with the laws governing the use of deadly force in their state?
How many have prepared themselves physically, mentally & emotionally to actually use lawful deadly force?
How many have considered that they may be faced with a situation where the laws might consider the use of deadly force to be lawful, justified and necessary ... but the totality of the circumstances might make it inappropriate?
How many of them have actually tested their skillset in some sort of formal training ... reinforced and maintained that skillset with sufficiently frequent proper practice ... and then thought to engage in further/recurrent training to make sure that what they thought they had learned and were practicing was actually what they should have been doing?
How many rounds of ammunition is enough? Dunno. Might be a moot point if other critical priorities (many of which are arguably more critical than round count) haven't been considered and addressed, though.
FWIW, in some recent updated LE training (Officer Survival and Street tactics) I stopped trying to keep count of the documented instances (known to the instructor) in which a cop had effectively used a 5-shot .38 Spl (carried as a backup weapon) to save his life. The instances discussed included the little 5-shot guns being used against 1, 2 & 3 attackers.
Mindset, skillset & tactics.
More range time properly practicing good tgechniques & skills.
Suit yourself, though.
No, that's not cryptic!Constantine said:Had an incident tonight. . . .