Carter mistook King wiretaps
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Ok, and listening to the tape, did it sound like many in attendance took offense to what was said? I mean, except when the president was talking.
All I hear are complaints from right wing pundits, when the people who attended the funeral start complaining, then I'll start to shape my oppinion. It seems like the only people complaining about it are people that weren't invited. Sour grapes maybe. (Note this last part is about the coverage of the funeral seen on TV and not directed towards anyone here.)
And GWB has elevated more blacks to higher positions of power and prestige than any other President in the history of the US. To make the arguement that GHWB was against Mrs. King based on 1 vote in the 1960's is crazy talk. If this is the case what does that make Sen. Byrd?
Mrs. King stood for Civil Rights. George H.W. Bush voted against civil rights. Therefore King and Bush were against eachother politically.
It's sort of similar to
Kerry voted against military apropriation bill because he disagreed on where the money was comming from, therefore Kerry hates the military.
It's sort of similar to
Kerry voted against military apropriation bill because he disagreed on where the money was comming from, therefore Kerry hates the military.
You mean the civil rights legislation that opened the door for increased federal involvment in state matters, including heavily restricting the ability of private employers to choose whom they wish to be associated with, a right guaranteed under the 1st Amendment?
I support equality as much as anyone, but the 14th Amendment is sufficient basis for eliminating discrimination in gov't action rather than implementing a new and massive federal bureaucracy, based on an bastardization of the Commerce Clause.
Yeah, we know. Bush is Hitler/Satan. He hates everyone, especially African-Americans. Those kinds of comments may fly at Moveon.org. They might enjoy -- and even support -- those types of shrill, false, and totally unsubstantiated statements. Try it out there. And don't forget to tell them that Karl Rove [
KARL ROVE ] secretly planned Mrs. King's death.Gary Conner
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Quote from Fal 4 me:
"Connor, have you ever heard of a little legal saying we have in the U.S. "innocent UNTIL PROVEN guilty." There is also due process of law. What this means is that ANY American Bush has wiretapped is technically INNOCENT until the government takes them to court and they are found GUILTY by a jury or their peers."
Oh, yes sir, I assure you I have heard that term "innocent until proven guilty" tossed around somewhere. But we are not talking about crime. We are talking about preventing acts of war, commited against innocent civilians.
However, the heroes of the political left, seem to not have heard the term, as evidenced by the likes of Teddy Kennedy, et al stating almost daily in televised Senate meetings, "The President Broke the law".
There is a huge difference in wiretapping the incoming call of an enemy terrorist, and the wiretapping of an innocent citizen because (Kennedy and Johnson) believed one of his staff was a Communist Party member.
It is not illegal to be a Communist. So if it ever were revealed and they were tried, both Kennedy and Johnson would have been found guilty of a felony.
It is illegal however, to plot the murder of thousands. And it is legal, for the President to utilize his powers under the Constitution, and the War Powers Act, to protect our shores against attack. Anything less, would be illegal on his part.
So if you are concerned with innocence, have you ever heard of any little thing in our Country we call the World Trade Center Building?
"Connor, have you ever heard of a little legal saying we have in the U.S. "innocent UNTIL PROVEN guilty." There is also due process of law. What this means is that ANY American Bush has wiretapped is technically INNOCENT until the government takes them to court and they are found GUILTY by a jury or their peers."
Oh, yes sir, I assure you I have heard that term "innocent until proven guilty" tossed around somewhere. But we are not talking about crime. We are talking about preventing acts of war, commited against innocent civilians.
However, the heroes of the political left, seem to not have heard the term, as evidenced by the likes of Teddy Kennedy, et al stating almost daily in televised Senate meetings, "The President Broke the law".
There is a huge difference in wiretapping the incoming call of an enemy terrorist, and the wiretapping of an innocent citizen because (Kennedy and Johnson) believed one of his staff was a Communist Party member.
It is not illegal to be a Communist. So if it ever were revealed and they were tried, both Kennedy and Johnson would have been found guilty of a felony.
It is illegal however, to plot the murder of thousands. And it is legal, for the President to utilize his powers under the Constitution, and the War Powers Act, to protect our shores against attack. Anything less, would be illegal on his part.
So if you are concerned with innocence, have you ever heard of any little thing in our Country we call the World Trade Center Building?
Gary Conner
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Quote: "Sorry, your right, it was GHW Bush that I was thinking of. He's the one that voted against civil rights legislation in the 60's. My bad, I should've been more clear.
Are you sure? I thought it was Al Gore's dad that did that. Anyway, I know when Clinton demanded GHW Bush publicize his tax return, it wound up showing he had contributed $ 90,000.00 to the United Negro College Fund. (Clinton's turned out to show not contribution, but it did list his write offs for Underwear donated to Goodwill)
Are you sure? I thought it was Al Gore's dad that did that. Anyway, I know when Clinton demanded GHW Bush publicize his tax return, it wound up showing he had contributed $ 90,000.00 to the United Negro College Fund. (Clinton's turned out to show not contribution, but it did list his write offs for Underwear donated to Goodwill)
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Quote:
"Sorry, your right, it was GHW Bush that I was thinking of. He's the one that voted against civil rights legislation in the 60's. My bad, I should've been more clear."
George Herbert Walker Bush did not vote against the Civil Rights Legislation of 1964. He was not elected to Congress until the 1966 election. He did however, donate 90K to the United Nego College Fund in one year. (The darned racist that he is)
However, Al Gore's father definitely was in office as a Senator from Tennessee, and he fought tooth and nail against the act. (Just to correct a little bit of misinformation)
"Sorry, your right, it was GHW Bush that I was thinking of. He's the one that voted against civil rights legislation in the 60's. My bad, I should've been more clear."
George Herbert Walker Bush did not vote against the Civil Rights Legislation of 1964. He was not elected to Congress until the 1966 election. He did however, donate 90K to the United Nego College Fund in one year. (The darned racist that he is)
However, Al Gore's father definitely was in office as a Senator from Tennessee, and he fought tooth and nail against the act. (Just to correct a little bit of misinformation)
Conner, also I think it is important to note the wiretapping was solely for the purpose of gathering war time intelligence. Nobody has or will be charged based on the tapping alone, nor will the tapping be used in the prosecution of criminal acts.
Again as Jimmy Carter so eloquently pointed out warrantless wire tapping has been occurring at least since the Kennedy administration in the 1960's tapped MLK.
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Pipoman:
You wrote: "Conner, also I think it is important to note the wiretapping was solely for the purpose of gathering war time intelligence."
I agree, that is exactly what I am trying to point out. Bush is wiretapping for Wartime Intelligence, and Kennedy and Johnson wiretapped only for Political purposes against MLK.
Also, I was trying to kind of correct fall 4 me's misleading attempt to make it appear George H.W. Bush voted against the Civil Rights Act, since it was totally impossible to vote for a bill when you are not put in office until two full years has passed since the legislation was enacted.
Additionally, it astounds me that the Leftists in the media get away CONSTANTLY with attempting to make George H.W. Bush appear as a racist, regardless of the fact that when they forced him to reveal his tax returns during the election, he had given $ 90,000.00 to the United Negro College Fund, when Clinton't tax return showed ZERO dollars contributed to either the NAACP, or the UNCF, but did show write offs, for Gods sake, of his used BVD underwear.
It is absolutely astounding.
But I guess I should shut up. I sure don't want to let any facts get in the way of efforts to label a good man (who spent a lifetime serving his country and by the way, getting shot out of the sky twice during missions in WWII) a horrible, mean spirited racist.
You wrote: "Conner, also I think it is important to note the wiretapping was solely for the purpose of gathering war time intelligence."
I agree, that is exactly what I am trying to point out. Bush is wiretapping for Wartime Intelligence, and Kennedy and Johnson wiretapped only for Political purposes against MLK.
Also, I was trying to kind of correct fall 4 me's misleading attempt to make it appear George H.W. Bush voted against the Civil Rights Act, since it was totally impossible to vote for a bill when you are not put in office until two full years has passed since the legislation was enacted.
Additionally, it astounds me that the Leftists in the media get away CONSTANTLY with attempting to make George H.W. Bush appear as a racist, regardless of the fact that when they forced him to reveal his tax returns during the election, he had given $ 90,000.00 to the United Negro College Fund, when Clinton't tax return showed ZERO dollars contributed to either the NAACP, or the UNCF, but did show write offs, for Gods sake, of his used BVD underwear.
It is absolutely astounding.
But I guess I should shut up. I sure don't want to let any facts get in the way of efforts to label a good man (who spent a lifetime serving his country and by the way, getting shot out of the sky twice during missions in WWII) a horrible, mean spirited racist.
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Gary Conner
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Carter is a toss up between being either:
(1) The worst President of the United States in the entire history of the country or;
(2) The worst former President in the entire history of the country.
(1) The worst President of the United States in the entire history of the country or;
(2) The worst former President in the entire history of the country.