Carter mistook King wiretaps

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Gary Conner

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John Gibson on Fox News pointed something out that was interesting this afternoon. He was talking about Jimmy Carter trying to embarras President Bush at the Coretta Scott-King funeral yesterday, by comparing wiretapping by the Bush Administration of Al Queda, to the FBI tapping Matin Luther King's phone's in the 1960's.

Gibson pointed out that when the FBI wiretaps took place, not only was King not an enemy of the United States trying to kill innocent citizens, it was the Johnson Administration (one of Jimmy's political heroes) in office at the time J. Edgar Hoover conducted it.

Question for discussion. Did Carter lie, by trying to mislead us into thinking there was a legitimate reason for comparing wiretapping by a Democrat President of an innocent citizen, to a Republican President wiretapping an incoming call from an Al Queda enemy terrorist?
 
I think it was Robert F Kennedy who authorized the wiretap around 63-64? He believed that a King advisor was one of the inner circle of the Communist Party. I think the order was discovered after King's death and before Robert Kennedy's death a short time later. The informants names were revelead in the early 80s? Jhnson never ordered its removal.
 
Carter was the worst president we have had in office in my lifetime. He's an even bigger joke since he has gotten back in the spotlight in the past few years.
 
Anything Carter says is probably born of ignorance not malice

I'm embarrassed to share an accent with him
 
It seems as if Fox News is at it again.:barf: Did Carter even mention Bush's name? What I took from his comment is that he thought it was a horrible thing to do, to tap an American without a warrant.

Did Carter lie, by trying to mislead us into thinking there was a legitimate reason for comparing wiretapping by a Democrat President of an innocent citizen, to a Republican President wiretapping an incoming call from an Al Queda enemy terrorist?
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Connor, have you ever heard of a little legal saying we have in the U.S. "innocent UNTIL PROVEN guilty." There is also due process of law. What this means is that ANY American Bush has wiretapped is technically INNOCENT until the government takes them to court and they are found GUILTY by a jury or their peers. I agree that if Al Queda is calling someone in the U.S., those American citizens should be under surveillance, but only after a warrant is issued allowing the government to do so.

If anyone embarrassed Bush, it was Bush himself for even going to the funeral in the first place.
 
Would that be because Bush don't like black people?
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I never said Bush doens't like black people. But anyone looking at Bush and King can tell their politics don't match and Bush doesn't agree with much if anything King stood for during her life. I think he only went so people, Dems and Reps alike, wouldn't say "why didn't GW Bush go to the funeral. Three former presidents did"
 
Jimmy Carter was an embarrassment as President and continues to be a pathetic embarrassment.

Again I ask,

Is politicizing funerals a long tradition with the Democrats or did it begin with Paul Wellstone?
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But anyone looking at Bush and King can tell their politics don't match and Bush doesn't agree with much if anything King stood for during her life
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Most people realize a funeral is to honor the life of the deceased, its not about politics.
 
Is politicizing funerals a long tradition with the Democrats or did it begin with Paul Wellstone?
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I fail to see how this funeral was politicized. Personally, being raised in a WELS Lutheran household and only going to Lutheran and Catholic funerals this didn't seem like a normal funeral. And she was a Southern Baptist, correct? Have you ever been to a Southern Baptist funeral? To me it seemed like they were not mourning her death, something catholics and lutheran do during their funerals, but celebrating the life of a woman they admired, respected and loved.

Mrs. King was a very political woman and she accomplished much during her life. Does talking about her accomplishments, beliefs and politics make it a politicized funeral? Hardly. If you were at a funeral for a fire fighter or policeman you would expect that those facts would somehow come up during the service or eulogy right? So why not expect the politics of the deceased at a political funeral?

Most people realize a funeral is to honor the life of the deceased, its not about politics.
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True, but would want someone who fought against you and everything you stood for to show up at yours? I know I wouldn't, it's like the person who goes to a funeral "just to make sure they were really dead."
 
I think he only went so people, Dems and Reps alike, wouldn't say "why didn't GW Bush go to the funeral.
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Or could it be that it was appropriate for the president of the US to go to the funeral of the wife of one of the greatest influences in America today who carried on his legacy.
Three former presidents did"
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And you find it inappropriate forthe sitting president to also?

Couldn't possibly that he was there to pay respects to "a beloved, graceful, courageous woman who called America to its founding ideals and carried on a noble dream." instead of simply for a political statement supporting his surveilance tactics.
But then he's not the one that brought that up is he
 
Jimmy Carter is waaaay out in left wing ding land. He is lost in endless theoretical thought. When he was in office we could not wait to rid America of him.

Jimmy is throwing anything he can at Bush, and at a funeral even.
 
If anyone embarrassed Bush, it was Bush himself for even going to the funeral in the first place.
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It would have been an insult, and the basis for endless complaining, if Bush had not attended the funeral.

Whether Bush personally liked or disliked Mrs. King, it was appropriate for him to attend the funeral of such a national personage in his capacity as the occupant of the Office of the President of the United States, reflecting the nation's respect for Mrs. King.
 
Have you ever been to a Southern Baptist funeral? To me it seemed like they were not mourning her death, something catholics and lutheran do during their funerals, but celebrating the life of a woman they admired, respected and loved.
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Yes, my 92 year old great grandmother was a Kentucky Southern Baptist. She attended 6 church service/events per week forever. At the time of her death she stood up said praise the Lord and dropped dead.(I digress, good story though).

You are right Baptist funerals are a celebration of the life of and mourning the loss of the deceased. I don't see how jumping on the "hot button" had anything to do with the deceased. Even Bill Clinton managed to avoid controversy while eloquently eulogizing.

Does talking about her accomplishments, beliefs and politics make it a politicized funeral?
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I don't see what the current wiretap issue had to do with Mrs. King.

Then there is Jessie Jackson's GWB hates blacks speech.:rolleyes:

If you were at a funeral for a fire fighter or policeman you would expect that those facts would somehow come up during the service or eulogy right? So why not expect the politics of the deceased at a political funeral?
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I would expect their service would be honored. I would not expect a pep rally by the PD to gain support for new police cars.

True, but would want someone who fought against you and everything you stood for to show up at yours?
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Did you say GWB fought against Mrs. King and everything she stood for? Do you really believe that?

But hypothetically, I would absolutely attend the funeral of someone I disagreed with if I respected their conviction to their cause. I would appreciate the same from them. This is a matter of respect.
 
True, but would want someone who fought against you and everything you stood for to show up at yours?
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Did you say GWB fought against Mrs. King and everything she stood for? Do you really believe that?
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Sorry, your right, it was GHW Bush that I was thinking of. He's the one that voted against civil rights legislation in the 60's. My bad, I should've been more clear.

And I'm willing to concede that a few may have used it for political purposes, but not as much as many here try to make it out to be. Especially Carter's comment about how she persevered through harassment, part of that harassment involved wiretaps. True Carter was not that great of a president, but neither was Ford and a few others. This last part isn't directed towards anyone just something I've wondered. How can you deny the good that Carter has done since his presidency. Do people not think Habitat for Humanity is a good cause? And his efforts for peace? Surely we can all agree that peace is generally a good thing. Don't get me wrong, I strongly believe that there are times when war is necessary, but I will always respect those who try to keep and make peace. Didn't Jesus even say blessed are the peacemakers?
 
Jimmy Carter is not ignorant of what he said. He was a formal naval officer and sub drive and was president of the US - such people are not stupid.

But he is a hypocrit and will stoop to any level to try to manipulate people to his way of thinking. :barf:
 
I fail to see how this funeral was politicized.
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Gee, maybe because of all of the POLITICAL comments aimed directly at Pres Bush - including Lowery who made comments about WMD in Iraq and accused Bush of being a "weapon of misdirection" - real classy stuff at a funeral. Or the Atlanta mayor who had to include comments derisive of the Iraq war. Or that lovable buffoon who once tried to be president - James Carter, who took time to blame Bush for Katrina and the illegal wiretapping of MLK - yeah, that works, presidente' peanut!!!

Other than that, I couldn't find any political overtones!
 
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