Carrying with empty chamber? Foolish.

Unchambered 1911 quick draw.

Twenty eight years ago I knew a guy who was one of our MPs that guarded our X-Area. He could draw and chamber a round from the holster so fast that it looked just like a regular draw.

On the draw he would bring the 1911 up just far enough to engage the rear of the ejection port on the front of the holster and then push the pistol back in to rack the slide. It was amazing. Of course he practiced this with dummy rounds a lot. It was not an authorized activity; but, he decided his life was worth more than some silly rule. Oh yeah, they were not allowed to carry with one in the chamber.
 
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AS said on TFL get a GLOCK SAFTEY-BLOCK and be done with it,
adjust the tension tight and feel safe yet ...ready. thank you
loandr. Yes the tension Mech. will wear after awhile and they may feel loose in a shorter period of time....Get a dozen at $10 a pop approx. they are the ticket. AND no mechanical devise is fool proof ,poeple prevent.. and make for accidents BUT this item brings a serious moderate level of comfort for me. Some say hey glock is no more unsafe that revolver D/A ,wouldnt you carry you L/W S&W with a tirgger block if you could??? same priniciple.?
thanks for lending an ear. I know I would.
loandr.
 
Glock mamual safety

I had American Handgunner Gunsmith editor Alex Hamilton install the manual safety on my G26. LOVE it! Great service from Ten-Ring Precision too. I saw his add and an accompanying article on the guy (Cominiski if I remember right) who came up with the strong patent and parts in on of the AH mags recently. I perfer a manual safety and this was the perfect modification to my individual needs. Also have a Saf-T-Block too, but feel that a bit overkill with the mechanical manual safety.
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There is some wisdom to COND 3 carry. Most modern full-size auto's become almost identical to operate once it has been determined what position is "safety off". All become SA only trigger, and issues about maniplating a safety become irrelevant. Except for heel-release mags, almost all "combat auto's" become identical to operate. 1911, HP, CZ, Beretta 92, Ruger, etc, etc.... There are some SERIOUS drawbacks to this "compromise", but there are also some real advantages. If I grab your CZ, my Ruger, his 1911, even the other guy's WW2 P-38, all identical to operate (until mag change in the P-38, heel catch-slide release is different on this one, but then I've at least emptied one mag into the threat). Carrying in COND 3, a person can grab many different pistols and their training will be 100% applicable.
Something to think about, anyway...
 
I am the person whom started that.I wont do it with my 1911 but I did with my glock.

1st: one person said it,If someone is able to get to it before me for whatever the reason I have alittle more time to fight.

2nd: one rule no matter where the gun is "none chambered" Some people keep one in the pipe and thats great but It doesnt need to be that way at home with a family!So no mastake,one way all the time.

3rd: A person can develope a smooth motion with practice especialy with the gun mounted to ones chest.Pull it out with the right hand and hold the release down with your right thumb,rack it with the left,release "keeping the gun close to the body",point and click.

I cant understand how something that works for one person but not another makes one stupid and or foolish?I dont understand how something is fine and ok when the word professional is stuck in the sentence,but it isnt when its an american civilian?The truth is that it is second nature and isnt something you forget in a adrinalin pumping situation were is you could be so pumped up that you make a mistake you cant take back.Just alittle to chew on fellows!!!
 
It would therefore stand to reason that most people should practice the percentage shots.
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It would stand to reason that a person should make the conscious decision to be poorly prepared????

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Suit yourself.
 
I cant understand how something that works for one person but not another makes one stupid and or foolish?
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For you, it works. That's your opinion and obviously you have to do what works for you.

For me, I think it's foolish. It's a handicap. That's my opinion and of course not everybody will agree.

I dont understand how something is fine and ok when the word professional is stuck in the sentence,but it isnt when its an american civilian?
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People are always quick to say "well, the Israelis do it". Good for them. They are professional shooters. That's their job. They train hard. There are a lot of things that pros do that amateurs would be smart to avoid.
 
I also carry condition 1. Condition 3 just would not work for me. Most of the time my 2 yr old is with me and I'm either carrying him or holding his hand. You do not want to drop your child or let go of him. What if you are holding his hand and you need your gun? You have to let go of him (or drop him if carrying). What if you are in a parking lot? He could get killed by a car trying to leave the area in the ensuing chaos. So for me, it only makes sense to have it ready to go with only one hand. Even when my child isn't with me, I tend to have stuff in my left hand. Of course I can and will drop anything in the left hand, except my son.
 
Empty Chamber Carry

I've never done it. First shot is the one I'm depending on the most.

Ever heard of FTF? If that happens to me I want it to be in the privacy and security of my own home, not after a life and death situation has already presented itself to me in public. :eek:

Gambling that you will have a successful feed must really raise the adrenaline levels! But hey, if any of you are that big a gambling addicts or adrenaline junkies, go for it.

It's a free country and you can quote me on that. :)
 
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You're right, I have carried unloaded guns. On the way home from the dealer (if that's what you are implying). But that is not the kind of "carry" which I was speaking of.

I "generally" shy away from absolutes myself as a wise tactic.
But I'll stand by my NEVER in this case.
 
I Would advise that someone carry an unloaded gun IF THAT IS WHAT SUITED THEIR NEEDS AND WAS THE SOLUTION TO THEIR PARTICULAR PROBLEMS. Doesn't work for me, but then unlike some other people, I don't profess to be all knowing and understand the solutions to everyone else's problems! My shotgun in my trunk is UNLOADED, and it suits my needs as far as that particular gun is concerned.... I would state STRONGLY that my unloaded shotgun is far from a useless hunk of metal that couldn't possibly benefit me and should be left at home.... I've only had to draw a gun twice to protect myself and successfully diffuse a VERY bad situation. Once it was a handgun, carried COND 1. The other time it was my shotgun, which I loaded immediately before the the "incedent". Works for me, I'm sure there are alot of people out there who are quite well armed with an handgun or shotgun or a pocket full of rocks in COND 3........
 
Well guys we can all agree on this:Not everyone can agree on everything all the time! ;) Just out of interest,How many people here would have to pump their shotguns before firing?How many people leave a round in their shotguns all the time?What would the difference be between pumping a shotgun and racking a Glock?No hard feelings here fellows by the way! :)
 
I used to have a nice Winchester Defender. Traded it in a moment of stupidity (they are quite frequent). Now, I never carried it - it was a home defense weapon. I did not keep a round in the chamber. I kept it loaded and ready to rack one in one-handed (I always liked that little trick - a la the movie "Manhunter"). Thinking back on it, I cannot tell you why I didn't keep a round in the chamber and safety-on. I just didn't, don't know why.

I think I'd like to get another Defender....
 
It really is a matter of personal comfort. However, if you feel you can't carry a Glock with the chamber loaded, there are plenty of other manufactures that make plenty of good guns that have safeties to consider carrying for CCW.

I wouldn't feel as safe carrying my Glock 30 in my pocket or stuffed under my belt as I would with a pistol that had a safety. That's why I use a holster. The holster covers the trigger. I make a point to exaggerate keeping my finger away from the trigger until I am ready to shoot my Glock. This habbit has carried over to other pistols.
 
1) Awareness of one's enviroment AND 2) Being ready and able to use deadly force..... A warriors most important attributes.... A man who posseses these and can sustain massive physical trauma while becoming tougher, faster and more decisive as he engages a threat WILL more than likely TERMINATE that threat. The ability to move through an enviroment, much like an athlete, and use everything possible to his advantage will probably be the decisive factor. I had a boss some years ago(dead now) who was the Warlord for a very hardcore(old school) Motorcycle Club. He did carry cocked n'locked BUT if this man had a his 1911 still holstered (empty chamber=paperweight) he could probably kill 9 out of 10 people that had him in their sights. And that is NO B.S., NO WAY!
 
What would the difference be between pumping a shotgun and racking a Glock?
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Actually, there's a big difference. If I'm using a long gun, I'm in my own home, behind a locked door. So I probably have some time and space from the bad guy. I'm hunkered down in a defensive position.

If I'm carrying around town, it's quite possible that the bad guy will try to seem as innocuous as possible until he gets very close. It's unlikely that a bad guy is going to try to rob me when he's 25 yards away. So on the street, I'm more likely to be surprised at close quarters and thus be in grappling range.

If you want to carry condition 3, by all means, carry condition 3. Just realize that along with the safety advantage comes the significant disadvantage that if you don't have 2 hands to rack the slide (because you're fending off the perp, opening a door, holding a child, pushing your spouse to cover), then you basically have an impact weapon in your hand. Only you can decide whether the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.

Condition 1 works for me; condition 3 does not. I can not (and will not) try to tell you what works for you -- that's your decision.

M1911
 
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