Carrying where not allowed

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I also have the right to not do business with them.
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The grain store where my family has been doing business with for over 50 years put up a "Do not carry sign", needless to say between me and a few other customers, it was taken down promptly.
 
There's plenty of reasons why a store wouldn't allow guns. Some more logical than others. Basically what I'm trying to say is that some places would rather keep as many guns out of their store as possible and that's their right. If if it bothers you, don't go there. Or don't get caught, depending on local laws.

I just think it's silly when every store that doesn't allow guns gets labelled "anti gun pinko commie hillary voting blah blah..."
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And I say: all of that's fine
 
Personally, I don't worry too much about No Gun signs. I was in a Red Robin this past weekend with my wife and it has a No Guns sign. I've been in there many times both carrying and not. I'm well concealed so I'm not worried about being busted. If they somehow see that I'm carrying a gun then they most likely will either ask me to leave or ask me to store my weapon somewhere outside the premises.

Again, I'm well concealed and not worried about it. That's my take.
 
These signs may very well...

...go the way of "Whites Only" signs in the pre-1964 south.

Carrying a firearm is a civil right; exactly the same as voting and speech. A business owner is in the same position with all civil rights. According to the Supreme Court (Warren), the business owner has a public accommodation, inviting people onto his/her property for the purpose of conducting commerce.

This argument crosses the line between disposal and use of private property and the rights of those who have been invited to that property.

Since the Supreme Court has now ruled that the Second Amendment is indeed an individual right, then someone ought to get the ACLU, or some other civil rights organization to help them sue property owners who refuse to comply with the visitors' civil rights.
 
I have and will continue to carry in places where carry is prohibited, except for a few places where you have to pass through metal detectors on the way in. If the signs don't strictly comply with Minnesota regulations they are invalid anyway...
 
If it's private property I think the owners have a right to post whatever signs they want. I also have the right to not do business with them
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That pretty much equals my attitude about things. If a business chooses not to allow firearms, it's their property. Whether or not I agree, they have a right to dictate how people conduct themselves to some extent. I won't go trampling on that if I can avoid it. However, I'll go somewhere else if at all possible.

There have been a few cases over the years where I've been unable to do so, and in those cases, discretion has been very important.
 
Same in Ohio, lots of businesses posted originally, but now there are almost no "No firearms" postings. Friendly persuasion works! Keep cool, and promote the truth. No one has to worry about the "good guys" carrying firearms, and the "bad guys" break the law every day anyway.
 
In Missouri not all of the signs are a legal thing they have to be of a certain size with at least one inch lettering to be legal. So a sign with a picture if a gun in a circle with a line though it has no legal ground

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I have often wondered- in a restaurant, for example, they give me a very wicked looking knife when I order a steak. Isn't that a deadly weapon, just like a firearm?
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In effect yes, in primary functionality, no.

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I have yet to see a sign banning firearms around these parts. If I do, I'll ignore it. I follow state law on these matters. And...I'll have a Laphroaig.
 
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I did not know that the signs carry different legal weights in different states. That is an interesting and valuable piece of information, I will have to find out what it means in NY.

With that added component, now my question becomes, do you carry where there is a sign requesting that you do not, but it is not legally binding. My original post did say where not expressly illegal, a category I know now certain signs fall into.

Interesting conversation so far. I believe I would fall into the camp who would carry despite the sign, when its legal to do so, because the bad guys will ignore the sign.

In a way its the same discussion as the decision to carry in general. Society as a whole doesn't approve of handguns, and you are choosing to do it anyway. The sign is just a visual reminder that most people don't approve.
 
In my state the sign must comply with with certain regulations on size and wording to be valid. Also, only the owner of the property can put up a valid sign not the renter. This would apply in situation like a strip mall or outlet where individual stores have put up signs. In addition, the owner must first ask you to leave before it is a trespassing fine. If you refuse then the police may issue the $25 fine.

I carry everywhere except for inside federal buildings, inside court rooms or inside of schools.

If I'm asked to leave a place of business because I have a gun concealed then I will leave without a fuss. But then I must have been doing a very poor job of concealing my gun if some server or store clerk saw it. I have never been asked to leave anyplace because I had a gun concealed.

It's not my law abiding duty as a ccw holder to die because of a sign and a $25 fine. It is my law abiding duty in my state to leave if asked.
 
Most businesses that have signs posted in Texas are not legal sign as far as the State of Texas is concerned. The only places I cant carry are 51% ers and govt buildings. Unless there is a 30.06 sign(which most just have a sign with a gun crossed out) its legal. Dont know how that holds in other states though.
 
For me I will probably go in most of the time. My view is "if I have to use my firearm at least I’m going to jail alive and not to the morgue in a body bag". But I can understand the moral and ethical conflicts that laws, signs, and private establishments create in the gun owner world.
 
ScotchMan said:
With that added component, now my question becomes, do you carry where there is a sign requesting that you do not, but it is not legally binding. My original post did say where not expressly illegal, a category I know now certain signs fall into.
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I thought I covered that in my response.

I strictly abide by the law. The law in my state does not award any magical powers to a "No Guns Allowed" sign. In general, they do not have force of law. The exceptions are Federal facilities. The only place they are clearly and conspicuously posted around here is at post offices, the VA hospital, and the Social Security office (and it's questionable if the one at the SS office is valid, but I don't choose to be the test case). I have seen malls that mention it in fine print in their rules and regulations signage, but those signs are usually posted well inside the entrance, they are not conspicuous, and NOBODY reads them.

So I carry in the mall. If security "makes" me and asks me to leave -- I'll leave.

PS: The state government also prohibits weapons on state property. That's in state law, so I observe that, scrupulously.
 
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