Carrying To Work
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moose_nukelz
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US Code title 18 section 930
Tactical Jackalope
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And that isssssss?
Doc Intrepid
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You could try parking your vehicle off your company premises, depending on where the building you work in is located. There may be another lot nearby that you could use, and then just walk a block or so to your building.
You might want to take a look at something like one of these:
http://consolevault.com/
Even if you leave the firearm locked in your vehicle, putting it in a gunvault inside your vehicle adds a bit more delay and protection against a thief who might just smash your window and rummage around in your vehicle.
It also bears noting that company policy is not the same thing as state law. According to handgunlawus, it is legal to have the firearm in a vehicle in a parking lot - e.g. it is not a named prohibited location. But it is against company policy. Realistically that policy is in place to reduce company liability. The likelihood that the company is going to search your vehicle is slim (unless you're stealing office supplies or making other unwise choices!) The point is that doing something against company policy is not necessarily doing something against the law.
You might want to take a look at something like one of these:
http://consolevault.com/
Even if you leave the firearm locked in your vehicle, putting it in a gunvault inside your vehicle adds a bit more delay and protection against a thief who might just smash your window and rummage around in your vehicle.
It also bears noting that company policy is not the same thing as state law. According to handgunlawus, it is legal to have the firearm in a vehicle in a parking lot - e.g. it is not a named prohibited location. But it is against company policy. Realistically that policy is in place to reduce company liability. The likelihood that the company is going to search your vehicle is slim (unless you're stealing office supplies or making other unwise choices!) The point is that doing something against company policy is not necessarily doing something against the law.
Sevenfaces
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check your state laws. here in FL you can keep a gun locked in your vehicle at work regardless of what your employer says, without needing a CCW. I still suggest getting a CCW if at all possible.
Uprangewilly
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Here is part of Sec. 930
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to - (1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law; (2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or (3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
Now after reading number three it sounds like you can have a firearm in federal facility if it is "incident" to hunting. So does that mean I can have a shotgun in my vehicle in a federal facility and say its for hunting after/before work?
Where I work, which is a federal facility, we have a parking garage for the first few floors of our building. So when I park there it is a federal facility. I have the option to park about half a block away in another parking garage owned by the county.
So are my options A) Have a shotgun in my vehicle and park in either lot? or B) Have a handgun that I carry and leave it in my car parked at the county garage? or C) Can't "legally" do either one?
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to - (1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law; (2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or (3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
Now after reading number three it sounds like you can have a firearm in federal facility if it is "incident" to hunting. So does that mean I can have a shotgun in my vehicle in a federal facility and say its for hunting after/before work?
Where I work, which is a federal facility, we have a parking garage for the first few floors of our building. So when I park there it is a federal facility. I have the option to park about half a block away in another parking garage owned by the county.
So are my options A) Have a shotgun in my vehicle and park in either lot? or B) Have a handgun that I carry and leave it in my car parked at the county garage? or C) Can't "legally" do either one?
In Michigan, an employer can prohibit firearms on any company property. It is considered "private property". Most likely you signed a "Terms of employment" when you hire in. You risk losing you job and putting your CPL in jeaprody. A bill was introduced several years ago to permit this, but it didn't go anywhere. I've been looking for it. Remember, a companies stance will always be: "We encourage all employees to exercise their constitutional rights, you just can't do it on company property. We have the right to fire you". And they do.
oneounceload
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Not necessarily so. While here in FL you can take a gun to work and leave it in your car for MOST employers, there mare exceptions, and, if your employee manual that you sign, says the company has the right to search your vehicle, then you have consented. One work place in particular that I know of is a nuclear power plant. NO guns in the vehicle, vehicles and individuals are subject to search. Thank Homeland Security for a lot of it
MrWesson, Dr.Strangelove, dnr1128; I stand with you. Personal security is
your responsibility. Tell anyone about it and it becomes neither. Personally,
I 'dressed appropriately' for work EVERY DAY for the last seven years before
I retired, after two of my colleagues were assaulted by students. (I've never
believed in the three strikes rule-strike three might just be you.).
your responsibility. Tell anyone about it and it becomes neither. Personally,
I 'dressed appropriately' for work EVERY DAY for the last seven years before
I retired, after two of my colleagues were assaulted by students. (I've never
believed in the three strikes rule-strike three might just be you.).
Maverick1950
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In Michigan, an employer can prohibit firearms on any company property. It is considered "private property". Most likely you signed a "Terms of employment" when you hire in. You risk losing you job and putting your CPL in jeaprody.
It is true that an employer can prohibit firearms on company property (whether or not you signed a form acknowledging that power when you were hired). Therefore, you risk your job by violating the employer's rule. You do not thereby put your CPL in jeopardy, however, as violating your employer's rules is not a crime.
WolfMacabre
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My company policy says we're not allowed to have guns on company property, but as far as I'm concerned my car is MY personal property so my guns are perfectly fine to be in there. If they have an issue with my rights I don't mind leaving them. I'm in pennsylvania, not sure if there are laws that say I can anyways.
It depends on not only the state in which you work, but also the individual company policy. The company that I work for has a "no weapons" policy which extends to their parking lots. There is a grey area, however, as the policy specifically states that parking lots may be different when they are not owned by the company (many of our locations including the one I work at are leased rather than owned), although "no weapons in the building" is pretty much universal. It is no longer an issue for me, however, because Indiana now has a parking lot law similar to others already mentioned. My company has also amended their "no weapons" policy in states that have parking lot laws.
In no way am I condoning breaking the law, but when I took my concealed carry class, my instructor told us about several instances where law abiding citizens CHOSE NOT to carry their gun due to the laws (i.e. having a gun in a financial institution, having a gun in a place where alcohol is sold and consumed,etc.). The end result was several people dead and the person who could have made a difference couldn't, all because they followed the law.
His thoughts were:
CONCEALED CARRY MEANS CONCEALED FROM PUBLIC VIEW.
Again, I am not condoning you breaking the law or possibly losing your job. My company policy is the same, in fact they aren't even allowed in vehicles, but I keep my PF-9 tucked away nicely either in my console or in my IWB holster and no one even has a clue.
Think of this, if a situation arises that you have to use your gun would you rather lose your job because you broke their rules or lose your life because you followed them?
His thoughts were:
CONCEALED CARRY MEANS CONCEALED FROM PUBLIC VIEW.
Again, I am not condoning you breaking the law or possibly losing your job. My company policy is the same, in fact they aren't even allowed in vehicles, but I keep my PF-9 tucked away nicely either in my console or in my IWB holster and no one even has a clue.
Think of this, if a situation arises that you have to use your gun would you rather lose your job because you broke their rules or lose your life because you followed them?