Carrying To Work

In my state the answer would be no, you can't keep a weapon in your car if the company owns, leases, or otherwise operates the lot/garage if the employer says you can't. State law regarding firearms doesn't override private regulations on private property.

I've confirmed this in my state with legal advice. Your state may differ. A cheap lawyer will answer this simple question for you for $100

Or you can go with the law of averages. If your company is large and employs lawyers of its own you can probably be assured that they've already determined whether they have control of the parking lot. So just ask HR and believe what they say. They could be conning you, but not likely.
 
Sorry to jack the thread, but to those in Washington state...I know our gun laws pretty well, and I do not believe we have an in car protection law. If someone knows otherwise please let me know.

I just got a new job, and the manual says i cannot have a gun in the building etc etc. I'm really P.O.'d about it, seems my employer wants me to be in danger, and unable to protect myself and keep doing my job!!

Oh well, have two weeks to think about it before I start. It just kills me that I have to make a choice between my job, and my safety!!
 
What happened to this bill?

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/read.aspx?id=5195

Michigan: Parking Lot Legislation Headed to the House Floor!

Friday, October 30, 2009

On Tuesday, October 27 the House Tourism, Outdoor Recreation and Natural Resources Committee approved House Bill 5302 and House Bill 5303 by a 9 to 1 vote.

HB5302, introduced by State Representative Paul Opsommer (R-93), and HB5303, introduced by State Representative Joel Sheltrown (D-103), would prohibit employers from firing employees who safely and lawfully store their firearms in locked vehicles while at work. The bill now moves to the full Michigan House of Representatives where a vote may be taken any day.
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I know several people who carry concealed to work even though it's against the rules. I think the rationale is that they're unlikely to be caught, and if they have to use the gun it will be worth losing the job.
 
I used to work for a "no guns" agency but the building lease only included 6' of ground outside the walls. I parked on the outside of that 6' and left my piece in my vehicle. It was less than 15 long steps from my desk to the door of my Jeep.
 
Do what you think is right and don't talk about it with HR or any fellow employees.

Unless I worked for a government agency, an employer will not tell me what I can and can't have in my private vehicle, and no one except law enforcement with a warrant is going to search my vehicle.
 
Do not ask HR. Talk to the wrong person on this issue and you will lose your job, just for bringing it up. Oh, it won't be put that way, and it may take a few months. But believe me, if they decide they don't want you around, they will find a way to rid themselves of you and your guns.

Assuming you do not work for .gov or a defense contractor etc. I would simply leave it in the car, very discretly. Off company property if available. Or carry, even more discretely, like thunderwear discrete. My life is worth more than any job.

That said for the past 15 years or so my employers have all been very pro gun. In fact a lot of the time I was paid to carry a gun. I am not paid to carry a gun now, but my employer is very gun friendly. We often discuss guns, holster, the latest carry gear etc.
 
As far as risking my job over my personal safety, I guess it would depend on how unsafe I felt at work without my gun if I were prohibited from having it in in my posession or in my car. If state law entitles my employer to prohibit me from having a gun in my car in the parking lot and I felt fairly safe walking from the office to my car, I probably would not risk losing my job by defying their rules. On the other hand, if I felt I was taking a lot of risk by not having my gun in the car, I wouild probably do it anyway figuring if I had to use it, it was probably worth losing a job over.

Lets face it, even if you are allowed to have a gun at work, if you ever have to use it and using it is justified, they are probably going to find a way to get rid of you anyway.
 
As far as risking my job over my personal safety, I guess it would depend on how unsafe I felt at work without my gun if I were prohibited from having it in in my posession or in my car. If state law entitles my employer to prohibit me from having a gun in my car in the parking lot and I felt fairly safe walking from the office to my car, I probably would not risk losing my job by defying their rules. On the other hand, if I felt I was taking a lot of risk by not having my gun in the car, I wouild probably do it anyway figuring if I had to use it, it was probably worth losing a job over.

Lets face it, even if you are allowed to have a gun at work, if you ever have to use it and using it is justified, they are probably going to find a way to get rid of you anyway.
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My issue is not with having to use it, it's the risk of what if you are NOT using it and somehow someone finds out. For some of us, losing your job would be a significant blow. Risk vs. reward, like so many decisions in life.
 
Crazy88Fingers
In Florida there is a law that clearly states a company cannot forbid its employees from legally keeping a weapon in there vehicles in the parking lot, whether or not the parking lot is company property. Of course there are still companies that try to ban it.

State Law > Company Policy


Check your state laws. Try a site like www.handgunlaw.us
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That's a personal buddy of mine right there ^^^^^

Look through threads started by me, you'll see about everything I got covered. It was a very long thread. Thank God I'm in Florida "take your gun to work" state.
 
Well they don't make it easy I'm looking at the Michigan firearms law on the Michigan.gov webpage and the PDF is from 2009 so either it's not updated or they haven't changed anything.
 
My place of work is kinda weird/shady..nothing in the manual that says you cannot carry and doesn't designate this place as a safety zone however hhe personally said that he doesn't want guns carried at work..its ok to have them in trucks or even bring one inside to give to someone or somthing
 
So if you work for the federal government, is there a federal law that restricts an employee from carrying a weapon on to the property. Or is just their "policy".

We have armed guards in our building so I dont feel unsafe, i would like to be able to keep a gun in my vehicle though.
 
Michigan

This is what I found.

Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:


Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian

Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.

Sports arena or stadium

A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises

Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons

An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more

A hospital

A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university

A Casino


"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above.



A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CPL holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The pistol is only subject to seizure if the holder is carrying it concealed. The following penalties may also be imposed:


First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CPL permit suspended 6 months
Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CPL permit revoked
Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CPL permit revoked

Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:

"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy."
 
If your not allowed to carry at work then don't carry, don't listen to those that say to go ahead and carry, cause if you get caught and fired that you could always find a new job. Those that say that aren't going to pay your bills between jobs and who's to say that getting caught carring at work while knowing you weren't allowed too will not follow you around on your job hunt. I am sure that where ever you apply for a job that they are going to want to know why you were let go at your current job. What are you going to tell them when they ask, that the guys on a forum said to go ahead and carry cause the no carry rules are a bunch of bull:rolleyes:? JMO
 
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