Blacktimberwolf
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I carried a C&B Remington New Army in .36 for more than ten years, once I was attacked, I shot one time and hit his knee, because he was only two yards away, the attack was immediately stopped.
If there are no lions where I am, then nail clippers or anything else that suits me, would be just fine. Should we all carry high power rifles just in case we are attacked by a lion? Which really makes more sense? Yes it was an absurd example on purpose. But each of us decides what makes us comfortable.nail clippers for defense against lions
This is also true for those who are thinking about being in an extended firefight at their local Wallyworld. Sure it could happen. What do you think the real odds are? Maybe one in 300,000? Lets be honest, you carry what you carry, because it's what you like, what you feel comfortable with.or strongly believes something, it won't make it true
Where are the ignition stats on a comparison between primers and percussion caps, on whether the BP system or smokeless has more FTFs? If the caps fit and/or you use cap sleeves, where is the reliability issue? Convenience yes, but reliability? Haven't percussion caps been fired under water? Wasn't it convenience that made them obsolete?an ignition system that became obsolete in the 1800s
Absolutely. And having a bigger gun, 10 clips or camo pants doesn't either. I don't know about sabers....although in the dark, in his own familiar surroundings, with most likely one invader (who might not even be armed) I'd sure give your friend a good chance. The worst case scenario usually doesn't happen. As has been said 'the gun is probably the least of it'.doesn't mean they are capable of defending themselves
Well said. Similarly, if you're where you won't need to use it for self-defense , then a cap & ball revolver (or anything else that suits you) would be just fine.If there are no lions where I am, then nail clippers or anything else that suits me, would be just fine.
That's the crux of this issue.Lets be honest, you carry what you carry, because it's what you like, what you feel comfortable with.
This is a lot of work to go for to justify carrying something because you like it and are comfortable with it. If you're going to carry it because you like it and are comfortable with it, there's no need to bother with nonsense like the above. Just say you're carrying it because you like it and are comfortable with it and that you don't care that it's less capable than other carry options. Done....extended firefight at their local Wallyworld...
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Where are the ignition stats on a comparison between primers and precussion caps?
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Haven't percussion caps been fired under water?
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And having a bigger gun, 10 clips or camo pants doesn't either.
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The worst case scenario usually doesn't happen. As has been said 'the gun is probably the least of it'.
There are two certain drawbacks I see to a reproduction percussion revolver. 1st is that I've read the springs break over time. 2nd is the plume of smoke they produce, which may not be as big of an issue outdoors. 3rd, for me at least, is the single action mechanism. I'm not Bob Munden, but then he certainly wasn't hindered at all.
My pistols, once I found that Rem #10's fit perfectly, have been 100% reliable as long as I've made certain the priming compound was inside the cap. That's with 300-400 shots fired, but more with my Ruger.
As to city carry of an 1851 Colt, that is even sillier.
your dorky Saturday-morning western fueled nostalgia
if you live in a storybook fantasy
grow up and get a real gun for defense
most of this fantasy is being fueled by nostalgia
Time to grow up and join the 21st century
JohnKSa--there's no need to bother with nonsense like the above
There's no need to make any points if, as you claimed, it just comes down to what a person likes and is comfortable with. Then trying to make points, valid or otherwise, is nonsense.I thought I made valid points.
Nothing I've posted could be construed as "scorn"....why all the scorn?
Sure, if one carefully constrains the circumstances of the shooting they're planning to be in, then it's possible to justify just about any choice for a self-defense weapon. If one constrains the circumstances so that the other guy isn't very mobile and his gun isn't loaded, then there's no need to be armed at all. One could deal with every "attack" by walking away briskly.If ... if ... if ...
At this point it would be worthwhile to go back and re-read my initial post on this thread.And being ‘comfortable’ with something means that I think I have already evaluated the pros and cons and made a conclusion.
One could look at it that way, I suppose. One could also observe that the practice of carrying a cap & ball revolver for self-defense doesn't even get much traction in a discussion forum focused on Black Powder and wonder why that might be true instead of merely dismissing it as irony.Seems ironic that ‘BP carry’ gathered so much flack on the Black Powder and Cowboy Action Shooting forum.
Again, this would be a good time to re-read my initial post on this thread. It was about using logic, about not deflecting the discussion by introducing red herrings, about looking at the things objectively. It was clearly NOT intended to be a list of reasons why people shouldn't carry cap & ball revolvers, it was all about being realistic about the relative merits of doing so vs. other available options.I was waiting for you and some of the other adamant posters to share some reasons that had not been covered.
I thought I made valid points.
No doubt. In fact, I'm nearly certain that the reason for the invention of modern propellants, semi-auto pistols, double-action handguns and self-contained metallic cartridges was due mostly to a lack of proficiency of shooters with cap and ball revolvers. If it weren't for the proficiency deficit experienced by many using percussion cap wheelguns, I can't see why inventors would have bothered to waste their time on things like that.Anyway, I reckon your most vociferous opponents just aren't very proficient with the old cap and ball six-shooter and they make all justifications for why their favorite is best or better for carry.
Across the board, the odds of NOT being a victim of serious violent crime in any given year are around 99.5%. Those of us not engaged in risky/criminal activities are even more likely to not encounter seriously violent crime.For 99.99% percent of us needing to defend ourselves in 99.99% of situations, 5 or 6 shots will be more than enough to stop a threat.