carrying concealed

If I missed this point being made already forgive me.

It seems that much of the advice that answers the OPs original needs or chambering a round after drawing is being done in a vacuum. Move your hand here, hold your other hand here, grab slide at this point, push here, pull there..... really?

You have no clue what may be out there if you every have to defend yourself. For those of us that try to imagine and train for different possibilities, the one we didn't expect is probably the one that'll be the one we're confronted with.

Why would you add more fine motor skill activity to an already stressful situation? If you're carrying groceries, a purse, two kids by the hand, and keys to the car when someone decides to take advantage of the situation, I bet you'll quickly realize you only have two hands.

Also, Kyo, the OP's gun is a Glock? What's wrong with a Glock and why does not having an external safety matter if it's in a holster?
 
Why would you add more fine motor skill activity to an already stressful situation?
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Most consider racking the slide as a gross motor skill, not a fine motor skill.
You have no clue what may be out there if you every have to defend yourself.
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But defending yourself is not the only issue with CCW. Some have other concerns and issues besides the very narrow and rare quick draw to shoot the BG situation. There have been some pretty good threads here on that if you want to do a search.
 
I assume PanamaJane is a female, probably fairly young and new to CCW. Maybe she carries off-body. I notice she's not reposted. Hope we haven't scared her off!

Stay safe.
Bob

PS: I confess i didn't read all the replies!
 
guymontag- What I said was if she is uncomfortable carrying one in the chamber and thinks she will have an unintended discharge, she could get a gun with an external safety, which would make glocks not a viable option. I am not saying anything bad about the gun, just that it doesn't fit what she is looking for in my view.
 
PanamaJane Please respond to your post we would love to help you but were flying in the blind with no feedback from you, we don't bite and are happy to help you.
 
I'd like to interject a few more points to this thread before it gets locked down, even if it has sometimes strayed from the original topic.

A few posts back there was mention of gross motor skills and fine motor skills. A basic disagreement about chamber empty versus cocked and locked is the relatively difficulty of the gun handling of one method over the other and here I mean upon drawing the pistol. I am afraid that proponents of one method over the other may be guilty of assuming away the problems of their chosen method (or John Browning's method, if that is the case) and assuming the ease and logic of the advantages of said method. I do the same things all the time.

Maybe we should look over some basic assumptions.

One, which is only sometimes mentioned, is how necessary is a one-handed fast draw, never mind that you are then expected to use two hands for actually firing. That is, what is the likelyhood of it be required? And if ever so, would you even be fast enough to beat the clock?

Two, it is implied that with training, you can overcome certain supposedly natural tendencies with regards to handling firearms, like keeping your finger off the trigger, unless you're going to fire the pistol, which is why you drew the thing from the holster to begin with. Well, maybe, even probably. But is it logical?

Three, the ideal of fine motor control being required to rack the slide is interesting but what about working the thumb safety? Have you fitted your pistol with an oversized thumb safety? The early ones were really flat, don't know why, that's just the way JMB thought they should be, maybe. I don't know. Again it boils down to an assumption of how easy the thumb safety is to use. Boy, don't those Glocks sound better all the time? Anything beats those safeties that work backwards, like the little Walthers and the big Berettas.

Alas, no matter how it is carried, you still have to practice a little, unless you believe you need to practice a lot.
 
To answer the question of what children have to do with carrying loaded...

It's the fear of an accident happening. And in this case, that accident is somehow having your gun available to your child. You can say you would never let that happen, but you know it does happen, you see it on the news.

Most children are strong enough to pull the trigger, but not strong enough or have the knowledge to rack the slide.

And that is why.
 
Here's how I see it...

If you are concerned about one in the pipe with your Glock...training as stated before in required for you.

You could pick up a gun that acctually has a manual safty. This may help ease your mind.

I carry a 1911 cocked and locked and find no issue messing around with my 4 kids. Play ball rolling around on the floor etc. not an issue. I key for me is that I am very confortable with my gun. My youngest 2 are girls and sometines complain when sitting with me in the recliner.. They fuss about being jabbed in the butt. I think that this has been my only issue with a gun and kids.

Lastly... this has been stated already...how are you planning to launch a round down the tube while holding on to your little one with one hand and the gun in the other? If I were you I would really think this through. Practice this with a large doll in your weak hand and rack the slide with only one hand.

Hope this idea helps a little bit.
 
I don't have any gun around the house not secured. Even secured they have no round chambered. My children would have to unsecure the weapon and rack the side to cause problems.

On my person carrying concealed I am chamber loaded so that I may one hand the weapon. The concept of having to two hand a weapon just doesn't appeal to me. I do also carry chamber empty when at the range shooting with a belted holster. I only charge the gun when ready to shoot. It's just the way I shoot. Seen friends have too many problems .

The only time I violate the above the "we're late, we're late" scenario with the wife screaming in my ear. Then I admit I grab a Glock with a clipdraw and stick it empty chamber IWB. No way am I sticking a chambered Glock in my britches. Stupid-yes, and not how I usually carry but better than being unarmed.Do I practice an empty chamber draw, racking the slide? Yup, a bit, but whether I could do it if TSHTF I dunno--.

I just need to get the wife more disciplined and consistent-right??:):):)
 
One handed

If you are going to carry with an empty chamber, and you don't assume that you will always have both hands immediately available in time of need (injury; carrying something you can't just drop, like a small child; partial immobilization by bad guy who caught you off guard; a number of things could take away use of one of your hands, if only temporarily) then you should learn how to chamber a round with one hand, as a backup to Israeli method or whatever other draw-and-chamber method you learn for two hands.

With a G36, this will involve hooking the rear sights on some surface, and pressing the pistol forward. The surface could be the heel or sole of a shoe, the edge of a belt, the edge of a table - pretty much anything that will have enough edge to grab on the sights, and enough rigidity to not simply bend or break around them.

FWIW, I sometimes have to carry condition 3 in military applications. However, personal CCW a round is always chambered.

On another note, I saw an interesting Russian holster on a show the other night; it wraps around the slide of the pistol and grasps it under tension. The pistol is not fully encased. The shooter grasps the grip, and shoves the pistol straight down. The holster has enough tension to hold the slide back as the pistol is drawn, so that when it finally releases the slide comes forward and chambers a round. Apparently, this is what the Spetznaz use for the Makarov. I don't know if there is anything similar available for the Glock.

Cheers,
M
 
The idea of cocking the weapon by hanging the rear sight and pushing down appeals to me--

It is always better to have the ability to one hand a weapon due to the reasons you specified. Your other extremity may be injured or useless.

Thanks much for the ideas!! I will practice racking the slide one handed off my belt or pocket. The clipdraw would even help off a pocket. A man's gotta have options!!!
 
I know this is stricly "piece of mind" but the grip safety (sorry if thats the wrong term) on my XD makes me feel a lot better than carrying a striker operated weapon without one around my kids. just my .02 cents though
 
I occasionally carry my 1911 in my cargo pocket, as a result, if someone's sitting across from me, I'm uncomfortable with a hot weapon pointing in their direction.

To put it another way, being trained all these years in muzzle discipline, it's uncomfortable to have a weapon in condition 1 pointing at a friend. Hence, I'm more comfortable with cond. 3 carry.

Definitely lose the advantage of speed though...

I'd surmise that it'd be better to evaluate your surroundings as you see fit and carry accordingly. Where i'm carrying is relatively safe, so I do not worry about having to immediately have a weapon ready (maybe it's not a good judgment call on my part so, YMMV)
 
Have you considered carrying a revolver? There's no slide to worry about and failure drills consist of pulling the trigger again.
 
I'd surmise that it'd be better to evaluate your surroundings as you see fit and carry accordingly. Where i'm carrying is relatively safe, so I do not worry about having to immediately have a weapon ready (maybe it's not a good judgment call on my part so, YMMV)
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There is the key to it. What is your situation, what are your concerns and issues, those define what carry mode is most advantageous to you.
 
I occasionally carry a 5 shot revolver when the environment is "safer" and folks congregate.An example would be church,etc. Do I ever NOT carry in these places? Nope--

Probably bad logic and rationalization but this is the way I justify a firearm with a low round count and limited distance capabilities. Contrare if I am out in crowds or around public cash businesses I carry the Glock with an extra mag.

Be my luck if THSHTF I will not have the Glock. But that's the risk you take--
 
I ALWAYS carry a Sig 226 (no safety) and a S&W 340PD as a BUG wherever I go even to the commissary and PX. My guns are always loaded as were my fathers, I have 3 children who grew up without bullet holes in them or their surroundings and know how to respect firearms and how to handle them.
 
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I ALWAYS carry a Sig 226 (no safety) and a S&W 340PD as a BUG wherever I go even to the commissary and PX.
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I still wonder why people are so willing to admit to committing felonies on the internet. Oh well.
 
I still wonder why people are so willing to admit to committing felonies on the internet. Oh well.
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Yep, makes it awfully hard to talk about honest, law-abiding gun owners when so many regularly say they are not honest or law-abiding.
 
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