My primary CC is a XDS45. Grip safety and trigger drop safety. I also have several different pistols. Some have conventional safety's and some have none. I understand the train so the safety is switched off on pull logic. But how does that translate if you CC multiple guns? My XDS is pretty slim but in Florida I often pocket carry a mini 380. If the safety swipe is supposed to be automatic on pull how do you tell your brain to remember which gun is in your pocket?
Carrying a Sig P938 cocked and safety OFF?
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Having carried and shot 1911 pattern pistols all my adult life the “cocked and locked” mode of carry has become second nature to me. My normal CC pistols are Sig P 238/938 or Kimber Micro 380/ Micro 9, they of course are carried in the proper mode and I have never had the safety wiped off inadvertently. Please if you are ever near me carrying cocked and safety off let me know so I can relocate somewhere out of your line of fire. The idea is unsafe and just unthinkable in this ligatious society.
Back to the pistol, the Sig and Kimber design ( or more appropriately redesigned Star) is a good safe pistol if the operator does his part.
Back to the pistol, the Sig and Kimber design ( or more appropriately redesigned Star) is a good safe pistol if the operator does his part.
If a gun has a manual safety then you MUST, in my opinion, practice using it EVERY time you bring the gun up on target.
Safeties can be manipulated unintentionally. I've read more than just a few incidents where safeties were either activated or deactivated without the user meaning for it to happen. I've even had it happen to me.
If the gun has a safety and there's any possibility that it could get activated, then the user must insure (not assume) that it is OFF when the gun needs to fire. IMO, it is poor practice to ignore a manual safety.
Walt Sherrill
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Josh17 said:
Slip ups happen. Carrying a small, single-action gun with the safety off is a serious problem waiting to happen. You cited one concern. The other side of that same coin is that if you might also "slip up" and pull the trigger while drawing the weapon. If so, that means you can 1) shoot yourself, or 2) shoot something [or someone] other than your intended target.
If that happens, you've done nothing to protect yourself and may have gotten yourself into a much bigger pile of hurt.
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The safety came off as in fell off? I assume it became useless after that since it couldn’t fire?
That was the main reason I don’t like the safety: it’s extra parts that can all break. The extra step isn’t that big of a deal I suppose with training.
If I do choose the 938 i’ll Learn to practice with the safety.
I would never carry a SA pistol with the chamber loaded and the safety off. In my opinion, that is the height of foolishness. It is not just you who would be in danger. Anyone near you would be in danger in the event of a negligent discharge. That is highly irresponsible.
It is simply no problem to wipe the safety off when drawing.
If you find that onerous, then you should carry a DAO pistol.... for your safety, and for the safety of anyone near you.
It is simply no problem to wipe the safety off when drawing.
If you find that onerous, then you should carry a DAO pistol.... for your safety, and for the safety of anyone near you.
The S&W ez is not going to fire unless the grip safety is pushed forward and held tightly in that position as the trigger is pulled rearward through it’s free travel. Mine does not have a manual safety other than the grip and has an internal hammer, I am quite safe carrying it with a round in the chamber unlike I would be carrying the 938 with the manual safety off.
I'm having a hard time understanding the danger from carrying an SA pistol chambered without a manual safety. I carry my LCP II in this condition all the time without fear. The gun is safe when in the holster, and it never leaves the holster unless I intend to shoot it. Even then, I never touch the trigger until ready to fire, a basic safety rule. I can understand the concern if one tends to shove it into pockets without a holster or play with it outside the holster, but if carried with care in the holster what's the issue?
To me there is a safety issue carrying a defensive handgun that is not ready to immediately defend, no matter how much you have trained under non-stressful conditions. But so many here have strong feelings about carrying this way that I have to wonder if I am missing something.
To me there is a safety issue carrying a defensive handgun that is not ready to immediately defend, no matter how much you have trained under non-stressful conditions. But so many here have strong feelings about carrying this way that I have to wonder if I am missing something.
Walt Sherrill
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TomNJVA said:
Ruger advertises the gun as having a "single-action feel," but I don't think it's really a single-action design. I think it's what's called a modified double-action (or modified single action) in that slide action, when chambering a round, partially tensions the hammer spring. It still has a lighter trigger pull than many of the other small guns.
While not all SA guns have light triggers many do, and I think that a light trigger was the concern being addressed with responses, here. And most SA guns triggers break a bit more easily than guns like the LCP and LCPII or the KelTec P3AT. A somewhat heavier trigger pull is part of their design -- offsetting the need for a safety lever a bit.
I've pocket carried several small guns without problems, but all of them were carried in a pocket holster which had a small thumb rest on the side that allowed me to press down on the holster as I unholstered the gun. That meant there was never an issue getting the gun out of the holster or leaving the holster in the pocket.
If nothing else, the holster keeps things away from the trigger if you ever forget and drop things in your pocket without remembering that the gun is in there.
HighValleyRanch
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Would you feel comfortable carrying a revolver with the hammer cocked back in your pocket?
Quote: Would you feel comfortable carrying a revolver with the hammer cocked back in your pocket?
Yes if both the trigger and hammer are completely covered and protected by a holster. The LCP II has an internal hammer so when in a holster both the trigger and hammer are are completely covered and protected.
Yes if both the trigger and hammer are completely covered and protected by a holster. The LCP II has an internal hammer so when in a holster both the trigger and hammer are are completely covered and protected.
I really dont know what to say. No way I would ever, ever think about carrying a revolver cocked. Even in the holster. Even if it's in the holster, if you're ever in a SD scenario you must draw it. Sympathetic reflex is real. My daughter experienced it first hand at the range the last time we went. Fire and movement, she stuttered stepped and we heard bang before a target was called. It scared her, but she was pointing the weapon in a safe direction.
She had her finger resting on the frame. I was videoing so I replayed it. Sure enough, her little stumble caused her to stutter step, regain balance,and she squeezed the gun tighter to prevent dropping it. She pulled the trigger when she did. It scared her, and she declared herself done at point. I agreed, but gave some praise that she was pointing it in a safe direction. We were doing side movement drills, and the ND happened between targets on a multiple target string. She was using a da/sa pistol. Training now includes decock after active threat is down.
Long story short, a true SA pistol should be kept safety on or decocked. No other safe way.
She had her finger resting on the frame. I was videoing so I replayed it. Sure enough, her little stumble caused her to stutter step, regain balance,and she squeezed the gun tighter to prevent dropping it. She pulled the trigger when she did. It scared her, and she declared herself done at point. I agreed, but gave some praise that she was pointing it in a safe direction. We were doing side movement drills, and the ND happened between targets on a multiple target string. She was using a da/sa pistol. Training now includes decock after active threat is down.
Long story short, a true SA pistol should be kept safety on or decocked. No other safe way.
sirgilligan
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Interaction with a firearm reveals the dangers associated with firearms.
A firearm with a hair trigger and ready to fire is perfectly harmless lying in the middle of nowhere with nothing to interact with it.
So, how do you interact with a pistol?
you pick them up
you load them with ammo
you put them in your pocket or holster or out from under the seat...
you take them out of your pocket or holster...
you point them at things
you put your finger on the trigger
you pull the trigger
I think you all can make a big long list of how a firearm is interacted with intentionally. Now make the list of unintentional.
So, in any of your scenarios would it be better to have the safety on on the Sig?
Is it "bad". Nope, it is neither good nor bad.
