<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Piggy:
In response to Stray Dog, I always love it how Canadians, desperate to convince themselves that they don't live in an opressive socialist state, become apologists for the government like good little citizens.[/quote]
Okay...Canada happens to be just about the most peaceful, democratic country on the planet, but whatever. I've touched neither apologetics nor jingoism in my comments, but say what you like.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Piggy:
Your argument about people pulling out guns because someone cut them off is the typical argument I hear from Canadians (and American anti-gunners)...its getting old already. Here in TX, there are guns EVERYWHERE..and very little, if any, records are kept, particularily when firearms have been circulated through the private market. Yet people are NOT shooting eachother on a daily basis because of traffic incidents as you suggest should be the case...[/quote]
Read carefully. You may find it insulting that i've suggested that Texans shoot each other out of road rage, but i've done nothing of the sort. What i DID say was that there would be nothing to prevent a person from doing so and gettin away scot-free. Furthermore, i was in fact talking about a hypothetical lunatic, not someone raised with "the moral teachings of my youth...thats nuts and nothing but propaganda you've been fed by CTV, Macleans magazine etc." I don't actually read Macleans, by the way. The only issue i looked through was about universities, not what would seem to be common sense about gun laws over here.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Piggy:
Also, your statement that guns are not available in Canada is proposterous. Where do you live? Vancouver? Toronto? Montreal?[/quote]
You seem to be reading roughly every other word i write...what i have said in previous posts is:
a) that i live in Toronto...no need to guess.
b) that it is *difficult* to obtain a gun in Canada, far from impossible.
c) references to criminals having difficulty finding guns to steal were made because gun ownership is uncommon in Canada, not because it's illegal to own a gun.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Piggy:The reality is that the Canadian government is well aware that the people are becoming weary of high unemployment, high taxes, poor medical care, and lack of opportunity. Guns in peoples hands in the current sociopolitical climate in Canada, is a threat to the Liberal party who would erect Cretien as King if they had their way.[/quote]
Ok, it's Chrétien, for starters. We're not actually living in a monarchy over here (it's possible that you were being facetious, but given how seriously you've taken everything else i've said, as well as a host of things that i haven't, i don't know if tongue-in-cheek is a part of your dictionary).
Yes, there are unemployed people in this country. Sure, taxes are high compared to the normal US rates. Granted, Canadians take issues with their health-care system (which is still far superior to the American one...here medicare is FREE for one thing).
I find it more than a little unlikely that the government of Canada expects a revolt of some kind, and is doing their best to surpress an insurrection by robbing Canadians of rights to guns. You haven't explicitly said that this is the motive for my government's actions, but i don't see any other scenario in which gun ownership would present a threat to the government...unless were we going to use them to rig the vote? I can think of interesting ways to spoil a ballot, in pretty 1-inch groups from 15 metres.
-Stray
is somewhat confused by what you have to say, but has the feeling that it's probably because you don't really know what you're typing.
[This message has been edited by StrayDog (edited June 17, 2000).]
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In response to Stray Dog, I always love it how Canadians, desperate to convince themselves that they don't live in an opressive socialist state, become apologists for the government like good little citizens.[/quote]
Okay...Canada happens to be just about the most peaceful, democratic country on the planet, but whatever. I've touched neither apologetics nor jingoism in my comments, but say what you like.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Piggy:
Your argument about people pulling out guns because someone cut them off is the typical argument I hear from Canadians (and American anti-gunners)...its getting old already. Here in TX, there are guns EVERYWHERE..and very little, if any, records are kept, particularily when firearms have been circulated through the private market. Yet people are NOT shooting eachother on a daily basis because of traffic incidents as you suggest should be the case...[/quote]
Read carefully. You may find it insulting that i've suggested that Texans shoot each other out of road rage, but i've done nothing of the sort. What i DID say was that there would be nothing to prevent a person from doing so and gettin away scot-free. Furthermore, i was in fact talking about a hypothetical lunatic, not someone raised with "the moral teachings of my youth...thats nuts and nothing but propaganda you've been fed by CTV, Macleans magazine etc." I don't actually read Macleans, by the way. The only issue i looked through was about universities, not what would seem to be common sense about gun laws over here.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Piggy:
Also, your statement that guns are not available in Canada is proposterous. Where do you live? Vancouver? Toronto? Montreal?[/quote]
You seem to be reading roughly every other word i write...what i have said in previous posts is:
a) that i live in Toronto...no need to guess.
b) that it is *difficult* to obtain a gun in Canada, far from impossible.
c) references to criminals having difficulty finding guns to steal were made because gun ownership is uncommon in Canada, not because it's illegal to own a gun.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Piggy:The reality is that the Canadian government is well aware that the people are becoming weary of high unemployment, high taxes, poor medical care, and lack of opportunity. Guns in peoples hands in the current sociopolitical climate in Canada, is a threat to the Liberal party who would erect Cretien as King if they had their way.[/quote]
Ok, it's Chrétien, for starters. We're not actually living in a monarchy over here (it's possible that you were being facetious, but given how seriously you've taken everything else i've said, as well as a host of things that i haven't, i don't know if tongue-in-cheek is a part of your dictionary).
Yes, there are unemployed people in this country. Sure, taxes are high compared to the normal US rates. Granted, Canadians take issues with their health-care system (which is still far superior to the American one...here medicare is FREE for one thing).
I find it more than a little unlikely that the government of Canada expects a revolt of some kind, and is doing their best to surpress an insurrection by robbing Canadians of rights to guns. You haven't explicitly said that this is the motive for my government's actions, but i don't see any other scenario in which gun ownership would present a threat to the government...unless were we going to use them to rig the vote? I can think of interesting ways to spoil a ballot, in pretty 1-inch groups from 15 metres.
-Stray
is somewhat confused by what you have to say, but has the feeling that it's probably because you don't really know what you're typing.
[This message has been edited by StrayDog (edited June 17, 2000).]
[This message has been edited by StrayDog (edited June 17, 2000).]