Can "plonked" rounds become "Unplonked"?

I've seen it spelled both ways - 'plOnk and plUnk. Tomato - tomatoe.
Plunk - plonk (SIC)
45 ACP - 45 GAP
45 ACP - 45 Colt (LC)
Apples - oranges
Right - wrong
Correct - incorrect
OAL Within SAAMI specs - out of specs
Reloaded cartridges that work - unsafe ammo
5 fingers on each hand - careless reloading practices
2 working eyeballs - careless reloading practices
Literate and coherent - not literate and coherent
Careful reference to reloading manuals - parameters from IIRC realm
And in this (reloading) context, was there any question as to my reference?
YES But, I already answered that in post #25.
Have fun at the range!
 
#1 Goal of loading for a semi-auto is: Will it reliably cycle the action?

After using the disassembled barrel for the plunk test, I did NOT hand-cycle the gun.
I believe you should have. If not hand-cycling then firing the rounds in a gun. You did. You had problems. Ergo you did something different and wrong and got unreliable ammo.
1) because I was using info from previous loadings using that OAL and
Well, something went wrong, didn't it.
2) any cycling of live ammo is not something I like doing if I don't have to.
When I carry a firearm at work, I cycle one round into and out of the chamber every shift, loading and unloading. I know for a fact that ammo that ammo goes through that pistol.
The rounds loaded previously shot fine.
Obviously, something was different, you did it, and you need to identify it and remediate the issue. No one else can do that for you. It is your process, and your result. You own it.
I was just clearing out the last 50 rds of the Ranier 200gr plated RN bullets I had on hand.
Whatever you did, something didn't work right.
Why some (3) fired and the rest jammed is a mystery.
I am certain that something you did caused this, and it is not good. No mystery there.
I randomly checked OAL on the rounds after setting the initial length. They were OK. Two days later - they weren't. I think I am gonna set my OAL about 0.010" less in the future and see how that affects them.
I don't think you get it. Your cartridges did not change. How you measure different things, on different days, consult references, and interpret results may be introducing unintended and undesired variability in your results. Pass the plunk test, but gun jams means you loaded bad ammo, and are not properly doing, or interpreting your plunk test. The plunk test will rule out over diameter ammo, but it is an incomplete test, because the gun is disassembled, and the cartridge is not: 1. going into the magazine, 2. coming out of the magazine, 3. going into the chamber, 4. action closes (in battery) with the round in the chamber, 5. is fired, and 6. finally gets ejected. That is six different "test" that happen every time you fire a cartridge. I recommend you determine what it was and remediate your methods.
I do recommend you get and properly use a micrometer, a case guage for you cartridge, and reread your manual (for that caliber) and review all data (COAL, case length, look at your marked barrel caliber), and, examine your brass condition and headstamps ) EVERY TIME you reload. Look closely at the top of this case gauge:
https://www.amazon.com/Lyman-Reloading-C-P-Pistol-Cartridge/dp/B005I0IU5E
notice the High-Low marks, when you plunk your round into the case gauge head-stamped part of the brass must be between these marks. The is the SAAMI specification. That is a much better measure and test than your barrel plunk test.
You can make dummy rounds to try different COAL's safely. If you know what you are doing and are careful, you can cycle live rounds safely, too. Quite a few people do that everyday.
 
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For the OP.

In case this was not mentioned (I am not going to wade through the whole thread)

Even though you stated you taper crimped. did you check the case mouth diameter right at the edge where it meets the bullet. It should be right around .470"

Even if the OAL is correct, if the brass is not tapered down (flair removed) enough it will stick,

Yes. this will vary some depending on bullet diameter and brass wall thickness.

Hope you figure out the problem.
 
I don't think you get it. Your cartridges did not change. How you measure different things, on different days, consult references, and interpret results may be introducing unintended and undesired variability in your results. Pass the plunk test, but gun jams means you loaded bad ammo, and are not properly doing, or interpreting your plunk test. The plunk test will rule out over diameter ammo, but it is an incomplete test, because the gun is disassembled...

Let me recap this entire thread to hopefully clear up what happened for those who didn't read the thread in its entirety:

I made up 50 - 200gr RN 45acp rounds using Ranier plated bullets. I had done this before. These were the last 50 bullets in the box. I seated them at 1.270" which turned out to be too long OAL. Three rounds fired and 47 did not. Gun out of battery. Couldn't figure why 3 rounds fired and I had success with these same bullets in the past.

I posted here but mistakenly used the OAL figure of 1.070" BECAUSE I MIS-READ MY HAND-WRITTEN RELOAD LOG AS 1.070 INSTEAD OF 1.270". Rounds, in reality, were loaded to 1.270" couldn't figure why 3 fired and the rest would not. Because they were too long.

Numerous posts decried the too short -1.070 OAL - as dangerous. And they would have been, except they were 1.270 and I used the shorter OAL mistakenly because of my reading error. Nothing was unsafe, just mis-
reported.

Got that sorted out, re-seated the 1.270" rounds to 1.240" and using my barrel (only 45 I have...) they plunked and I was able to rotate them and they dropped out of the barrel at their new length. I did NOT hand-cycle just because....

I now have rounds at 1.240" that fit in the barrel (only barrel) they will be used in. I will probably try them next week and I expect the new, shorter OAL to work, as others I loaded in the past have. This should clear things up and Uncle Nick's explanation as to why some of my rounds fired and some didn't which was my original reason for posting this to begin with. Thanks, Uncle Nick!!! Problem solved as far as I can see.
 
The point that some people are trying to make is that the plunk test (no matter how you spell it) primarily checks the diameter of the finished round, and the uniformity thereof. (A bit of an oversimplification, perhaps, but not way off.) You had an issue with feeding that might well have had to do with OAL. Hand cycling a few rounds could tell you whether you fixed that problem. Your choice, of course, whether to check your altered rounds at home or at the range. Let us know.
 
I had a similar issue where I made up a batch of 230g Berry's Round Nose at 1.27" they would not feed reliably in my SIG P227. They worked perfectly in my M&P45.

Go figure.
 
It was your question. People tried to help you. Now see you are a troll. I do not need you recrap anything. Time to close this thread.
 
It was your question. People tried to help you. Now see you are a troll. I do not need you recrap anything. Time to close this thread.

Troll? In what way? I asked a question. One of quite a few I've asked before. I admit I am new and possibly not as adept at using some terms properly. But it was a sincere question. "Why did some rounds fire while others prevented a return to battery? I had plunked/plonked the rounds (OK, at least most of 'em) and they seemed fine. Two days later things weren't fine. Why?"

I got a bunch of answers and some had no relevance, IMO. Uncle Nick answered or at least gave a theory as to why this happened. I was happy with his reasoning and the thread coulda closed then. But it didn't....
 
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Just a random thought; if you are using a plated round nose bullet, why are you using LSWC data? If you don't have plated bullet data why not use lead round nose data? Lyman manual had data for a LRN bullet of 225 gr. and OAL info from that should work for your plated bullets...
I was using a ".45acp Load Book" and found the data for a lead WC bullet of 200gr weight. Figuring LWC and plated RN would be similar, except for bullet OAL, I used the lead bullet and seated at an OAL I had used previously with my plated RN bullets. I then used the barrel for OAL for the RN bullet and trial and error until these rounds worked upon dropping in, turning and dropping out of my barrel was good, IMO. I guess Uncle Nick's explanation is the reason the rounds worked before and 3 worked this time before locking up the gun.
OK, I understand now...:D

Seems like this thread has descended to a septic tank level...
 
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