Can Leftists be Martialists (Self-Defense Exponents)?

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No, a political leftist cannot be "pro gun." He may believe he supports firearms rights, but he also supports an ideology whose adherents are even now working against firearms rights.

Er - wrong. Bad premises, poor logic, categorical thinking, multiple instances of an illicit distribution of an end product. So many errors - alas.
 
Er - wrong. Bad premises, poor logic, categorical thinking, multiple instances of an illicit distribution of an end product. So many errors - alas
It also completely negates the reality that even leftist have free will and can make up their own mind on seperate issues. In fact that is one of the fundemental elements of liberal or left thinking.

The main reason the left has a hard time rallying under a common banner is that free will is one of the most respected concepts. Unlike the religious right who are told what to think and why to think it. It is better to listen to your leader and do as he says or you are questioning god.
 
even leftists have free will and can make up their own mind on seperate issues.
The left constitutes communism and at least socialism... neither one of which promotes "free agency"... in the least degree...:rolleyes:

The only Leftists who can excercise free will are the "Party Leaders"...
Like Putin, Ho Chi Minn, Pol Pot, Jesse Jackson and Hilary Clinton...
 
Well, I read through about half of this... more or less... What I can say, is that it only confirms my belief that humans in general can't live without tupperware... In other words, everything and everyone has to have its own little container and label, and fit neatly packed into another container with another label with all the other little containers with similar lables, and that's the scope of what they stand for---all neat and organized. "If you believe this, then you're in that container over there on that shelf--right along side that other one... You believe this, like that, don't agree on these issues, and won't share the same space with those containers over there." And so on... Interesting theory, but it just doesn't work that way. Catagorizing and arranging a bug collection--maybe. But people? Naw, it's just not that black and white.
 
humans in general can't live without tupperware... In other words, everything and everyone has to have its own little container and label, and fit neatly packed into another container with another label with all the other little containers with similar lables, and that's the scope of what they stand for---all neat and organized. "If you believe this, then you're in that container over there on that shelf--right along side that other one... You believe this, like that, don't agree on these issues, and won't share the same space with those containers over there."

I think this is a "cop-out"...

Mr Webster recognized the need for clearly defined meanings for words...

It is not pigeon-holing to define leftists as Communists and Socialists and those who support them...
 
It is not pigeon-holing to define leftists as Communists and Socialists and those who support them...

You can define Communists and Socialists as leftists, but not the other way around. It's the basic concept of a sub-category.
 
I'm never too busy to use the SPACEBAR.

Because the original post had convenient bold text and stuff, so it was easy to scan. And just by scanning, you can tell that making point-by-point rebuttals would be a waste of your time, because of all heavy, invalid biases in the text.
 
I'm never too busy to use the SPACEBAR.

Me either. I was not really serious. I need to stay off these types of threads because I can never get serious enough. I hereby ban myself from this thread.
 
I'm just a visitor here. I don't like the L&P section of this forum in general, because it's bad for my blood pressure.

With all the insult and invective hurled in the last three pages, I have yet, with the exception of Playboypenguin, seen anyone try to raise any cogent arguments in opposition to any of the points of the original post. (Not saying that I AGREE... just that no one else has even come close to making any logical arguments.)

While they might individually be nice enough people, when leftists vote their collective ideals, the resultant governments create hoplophobic places like New Jersey, Massachusetts, New York, And Maryland. If you truly believe in your right to self defense, property rights, gun ownership and self reliance I don't see how you can argue that voting for leftists isn't self defeating. And so, how can you support these ideals?

I'll be returning to the more hardware oriented sections of the forum now.
 
Uncool, Phil. First you define the "leftists" and tell them what they believe. Then, over their protests that your definition of them and their beliefs is clearly wrong, you proceed to rip them a new one.

This is called begging the question. You're berating people who take pride in their patriotism for a lack of patriotism, and telling people who pride themselves on what they do for the RKBA that they don't believe in it. Clearly they're not going to take that seriously, and neither will most observers.
 
I'm not even sure where to begin, other than to say, Why Haven't I Looked At This Thread Before Now!

Insulting an entire segment of our society by telling them what they think is not any kind of high road that I know of.

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