Calling All LEO's On TFL

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tprT:
Gonzo,
My feelings exactly. Plus, if someone is not willing to put their own life on the line to save themselves or their family, do they think $50,000 a year is enough to pay me to do it for them?
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$50,000 a year? Wow!!! That's about $20,000 a year more than a couple of my LEO friends who have been with the Police Dept. here for over 12 years!!!

Anyway, my next door neighbor of 14 years is a Sargeant with the PD, assigned to the drug task force, and he has known I carry for YEARS! Even before I got a permit, he knew. Of course, he lectured me on what would happen if I got caught, but he was in favor of average, law abiding citizens being able to protect themselves when/if neccessary.

And to every LEO who answered here, THANK YOU for choosing to protect us all, even the ones that the gene pool could do without !!
 
How bout some chlorine for that gene pool fellas?

Fast Eagle

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Sir, your remarks are repulsive to me, and I disagree with your viewpoints. But I will defend to my death your God given right to express them.
Voltaire
 
Well I guess I'll add to the replys. I'm a current LEO and I don't have a problem with 80 to 90% of the people out there carring. The other 10 or so % scare the crap outta me. These are the people that make me pray for aerial spraying of Prozac.

I carry everywhere I go and always will. The reason for this is that where I live carry for non LEO's is against the law. It may sound crazy or cavilier but I see it as my obligation to carry to protect the people that cant until the law is changed.

I do feel that at least some type of basic qualifcation is needed so that we don't have millon dollar rounds flying all over out there. That would support all kinds of bottom feeders (lawyers).

Just my thoughts. Best wishes Best luck Poacher.
 
Hey poacher,

I don't think I can help much in the way of aerial spraying of Prozac. Don't think SECDEF,CNO, or NAVAIR has approved the substance for air ordance delivery. On the other hand I can help out with "approved munitions" take your pick.

AGM-65D (Standoff-Precision weapon, good for plinking tanks at 1.5 KM)
BLU-107 Durandals (Taxiway/runway busters, but will do nicely on highways, rural streets and driveways etc...)
BSU-49 aka MK-82 AIR (GP Low Altitude "dumb" bomb. We callem noise makers and shrub shakers... :D
CBU-58A (Anti-Personnel/material incendiary bomb. My personal favorite, a real nasty little b*****d.)
CBU-97 (Anti-armor. Also works well on lowriders and other assorted hoopties...)
GBU-10 Paveway I (Laser Precision attack ordance. Kinda expensive to just toss all over the place, but makes a nasty little hole in the ground.)
GBU-10G (Laser Precision attack for hardened targets. Works well against bunkers, underground command facilities or highrise crime infested slums.)
GBU-15 v-32 IIR-TV/Datalink Standoffprecision attack munitions for hardened targets, another of my fav's. You can watchem scatter like quail on the LANTRIN sys, live and in technicolor... :D

Just take yer pick and we'll see what we can do.....

Fast Eagle



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Sir, your remarks are repulsive to me, and I disagree with your viewpoints. But I will defend to my death your God given right to express them.
Voltaire
 
Gonzo was exactly right. For an extensive treatise on that everyone who hasn't should read "A Nation of Cowards" by Jeffrey R. Snyder.
 
Fast Eagle, when's your gun show :). I take it you're a Strike Eagle jockey from the mud moving munitions here. Keep up the good work.



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I will choose a path thats clear-I will choose freewill-Neal Pert

I swear-by my life and my love of it-that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine-Ayn Rand
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="arial,helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brianidaho:
Fast Eagle, when's your gun show :). I take it you're a Strike Eagle jockey from the mud moving munitions here. Keep up the good work.

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Strike Eagle? God excuse him he knows not what he utters. :p

USAF drives those “Mud Hens”. I fly the greatest multi-role, combat air superiority fighter known to the planet, and arguably, the Cosmos! :cool:

The McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet (I refuse to call’em Boeings!) :o

The F/A-18’s got the first Mig kills of the Gulf War for the Navy/Marines. Opening day Jan 16, 1991 F/A-18A from VFA-15.

They dropped the most ordnance of any Navy or Marine aircraft in the theater of operations.

We had the least combat losses of any A/C type sans the F-117, or the four fan trashcans that delivered the pizzas and playboys to the frontline grunts.


And those Air Force boys ain't lived till they mated 60 tons of steel to a rolling carrier deck at two AM, in a driving rain storm, nine million miles from anything that remotely resembles land..... :D

Just pickin’

Fast Eagle




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Sir, your remarks are repulsive to me, and I disagree with your viewpoints. But I will defend to my death your God given right to express them.
Voltaire
 
Oh, a Bug jockey. :D

Mike

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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert Heinlein
 
If you can legally own a gun you should be able to carry it. I do suggest a shooting test. Nothing fancy, just show me that you can at least hit a still target and a class on the legalities to protect people from lawyers.

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When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.
 
I have taught a couple of those Bug Drivers how to fly a real aircraft, you know one where the wheel is on the back. In fact i remeber when I showed one how to tumble an aircraft, he almost threw up. :)

Actually Fast Eagle I would love to trade rides sometime, although I know just because I helped pay for it, doesn't mean I get to fly it.

It's good to have another pilot around, and by the way the name refers to the Pitts S2B Biplane
 
Fasteagle(or whatever); There were alot of fast, agile, effective, tough, couragous aircaft before the f-18 came along. Come back down to earth will ya? Desert Storm? Gimme a break. Probably the easiest conflict of the 20th century. J. Parker
 
I hear you guys being pretty tough on some of the citizenry's intellectual abilities and whether they should be allowed to carry.

As a citizen I must say that there are ton's barney fife bass ackward ignorant cops out there that shouldn't be allowed to drive let alone be in the same room with a gun. Of course, I'm sure you all don't have anyone like that in your dept's.

I basicly respect my state, county, and local LEO's but I must also admit that some of the most ignorant, sadistic, racist, and evil bastard's I've ever met are members of those same organizations. They drive and carry guns every day. Because of this, even stupid people need to be allowed to carry guns too. It's just pure self defence. -ddt4free
 
Sorry Fast Eagle...ya gotta admit the handle does imply a little famailarity with the fixed airfield crowd. How about "Fast Hornet" then...nah it just doesn't have the same ring to it :). Anyone that pulls night cat traps and is into handguns has got to be alright. Are you on the E-model?

As to the Gulf War being the easiest conflict of the 20the century, by all reports the ground to air and air to air (had they flown) defenses in Iraq where at least as great as anything in 'Nam, and far more deadly than anything earlier. While our pilots were better trained and equiped, the primary difference was that we didn't have the same limp-**** civilian control of the show this time. 'Nams civies were less concerned with the loss of our fighters than with offending the BGs. Cut off the head (CCCI) and the body's a hell of alot less dangerous. Keep up the good work Fast Eagle and the rest of you laying it on the line for us civies.

Bri

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I will choose a path thats clear-I will choose freewill-Neal Pert

I swear-by my life and my love of it-that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine-Ayn Rand

[This message has been edited by brianidaho (edited September 30, 2000).]
 
I support CCW carry, but the training thats required to aquire most permits is pretty sad.

There should be some kind of ON-GOING training for civilians after getting there permits, [maybe having to qualify with your chosen weapon or weapons each year permit is valid, and also taking some type of written test]. This is proably cost prohibitive but just my 02$ worth.

Fast Eagle: i'd rather drive a MIG.... :)
 
I was a Portland Police Reserve Officer for awhile (bpst 29205). So I'll answer.

I believe the right to carry goes with the U.S. territory. The more good guys that have guns, the safer it will be on the streets. Otherwise, we become mere sheep and will be molded by whoever is in power at the moment. Can you say, "Police State or Gang Land"!!!

I believe that only those who pass a simple competency test and become licensed, and are law abiding citizens should carry guns. Guns should not be sold like bubblegum.

BUT, if the day ever comes that good law abiding average citizens are NOT ALLOWED to carry for self defense, then it's time for the next CIVIL WAR, whether overtly or underground. REASON: There will always be some people who believe nobody should carry guns except police and the military. If they get in power, then we would have a major fight on our hands.

In other words, ladies and gentlemen, there will be NO DOMINO EFFECT in the United States of America!!! The only peaceful way for people to give up their guns is by voluntary means, not by new fanatic anti-gun laws, with the purpose of slowly taking all guns away from the silent majority.

In summary, I'm for the middle ground of common sense, not the extemist's ideals.

note regarding the U.S Police Agencies: I believe that overall, we have good people throughout the U.S. But nobody is perfect. And every once in awhile, a cop or agent goes bad. But that does not mean that we should take guns away from all police and military agencies. We instead go through the quality process of continual improvement. Let's be reasonable, folks :)

Even Mahatma Gandhi said that if you are not strong enough to offer your body in nonviolent resistence, then fight. Gandhi had three levels of fighting. In his view, in order from the highest form to the lowest:

1. Nonviolent Resistence -- without hate and offering your own body as a shield to protect others if necessary.
2. Fighting to defend yourself and your loved ones.
3. Cowardice --- the lowest and most repugnant level of all. At this level "it" hides behind others. "It" runs away. "It" makes fanatic laws to hide behind. "It" is a stinking hypocrite and a liar at heart. "It" is the lowest life form. "It" is sub-human.

So, spread the word by speaking up and sending this email to all the politicians, the FBI, etc. Let them know that we are strong and want to work together in a reasonable way.

I will give up my gun only if each person in my family has a bodyguard, paid for by Uncle Sam, and we are guaranteed to be safe from violent criminals, gangs, terrorists, etc. And the bodyguards must protect each person in my family 24 hours a day, wherever they go, forever. Obviously, police agencies cannot do this; it is not their job. And I do not want to play the statistics game and weakly hope that it won't happen to me.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by J. Parker:
Fasteagle(or whatever); There were alot of fast, agile, effective, tough, couragous aircaft before the f-18 came along. Come back down to earth will ya? Desert Storm? Gimme a break. Probably the easiest conflict of the 20th century. J. Parker[/quote]

Clarification on the "handle" Fast Eagle is the radio callsign for VF-41, Tomcat drivers outta Miramar. The F/A-18 E's and F's are slated to begin replacing the "turkey's" around mid 2001. Most of the "turkey's" will rotate over to reserve units state side. I am on the short list for CDR in 2001, but to pull it I must go active duty again for 2 years. A slot is opening at VF-41 in mid-Jan and I'm going to take it, hence the handle.
Our callsign for VFA-15, and VFA-127 is "Hobo" and "Stallion". And if Bush is elected Prez. I am going back for a full 6 and enjoy the build up I saw under "Ronny" when I entered the Navy in 1982.

As far as Desert Storm being the easiest conflict of the 20th century.

I'll let my brothers and sisters who payed the ultimate price, so you can enjoy your freedom anwser that, sir.

I respect ALL who have served, reguardless.
Fast Eagle

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Sir, your remarks are repulsive to me, and I disagree with your viewpoints. But I will defend to my death your God given right to express them.
Voltaire

[This message has been edited by Fast Eagle (edited September 30, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Fast Eagle (edited September 30, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Fast Eagle (edited September 30, 2000).]
 
Sorry for all the edits, but I had to tone it down abit.

Apologies to all,

Fast Eagle

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Sir, your remarks are repulsive to me, and I disagree with your viewpoints. But I will defend to my death your God given right to express them.
Voltaire
 
Fast Eagle; I served. Went to Nam '70-'71. Hey, believe me I'm as patriotic as they come. I don't know if I read it right or not but "Desert Storm" wasn't about our freedom, IMO it was about OIL of all things. Us vets and actives fight for the darndest things don't we? The only War that was about freedom was WWII. Peace brother, J. Parker
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by J. Parker:
Fast Eagle; I served. Went to Nam '70-'71. Hey, believe me I'm as patriotic as they come. I don't know if I read it right or not but "Desert Storm" wasn't about our freedom, IMO it was about OIL of all things. Us vets and actives fight for the darndest things don't we? The only War that was about freedom was WWII. Peace brother, J. Parker [/quote]


Thank you for your service sir, Hats off to you.

And it was about oil mostly, liberation and ending the needless slaughter of Kuwaiti citizens and unimpeded trade in that area to. But no matter, my country saw fit it to go. You called I faithfully went.

Fast Eagle


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Sir, your remarks are repulsive to me, and I disagree with your viewpoints. But I will defend to my death your God given right to express them.
Voltaire
 
The state I reside in allows handguns to be carried in the glovebox, console or trunk, fortunely. Also, I must mention that one of my priorities in life is to abide by the laws, silly me! I came out of a grocery store at 1:00 a.m. the other morning, just after reaching my vehicle, to have 2 hoodlums barreling down on me. I quickly unlocked my truck, open the glove compartment, and made it clear that if anyone got hurt, I wasn't going to be the only one. If my state's laws had prevented me from legally transporting a handgun in my vehicle, I have no doubt that I would simply be another statistic at this point in time. Please prosecute the felons and leave the honest, law abiding citizen alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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