CA Semiauto Rifle Registration

The facts are these, gents: If you register, you're grandfathered and legal. If you don't, you're a felon in the eyes of the state of California.

Tell it to those that owned SKS rifles in KA.

You forget already? I guess you'll be among the first to the cattle cars, having "forgotten" what happened in world history.

BTW, I'm already a "felon". I carry concealed, even though my state doesn't "grant" that right to it's "subjects". I carry a loaded pistol in my car, with extra mags, when I travel on interstate business. I've done this MULTIPLE times through Illinois, where EVERY ROUND, as well as the gun, gets you a FIVE YEAR mandatory sentence. Adding it all up, I qualify for over 750 years in Illinois prisons.

BUT, I served in my country's armed forces, and have no criminal record. My oath is still in force too.

So, what were you saying about "being a felon in the eyes of..."? If you're going to cave to fascist, unconstitutional "laws", perhaps you want to rethink your "right" and "need" to own guns.

STAND UP, or lay down. You make the call.

[This message has been edited by Dennis Olson (edited September 21, 2000).]
 
Look, Dennis, I don't want to get into a pissing contest here. I just posted the facts. I have carried in my car as well without a CCW depending on where I have to travel. I don't like the law any either. However, the SC of California upheld it on the grounds there is no individual right to possess a firearm in the California Constitution. Overturning this onerous piece of legislation will require a U.S. SC decision on the Second Amendment. It's got to come to that. BTW, I am a Vietnam combat veteran.
 
My words were not directed at any particular individual. Just the opposite, in fact. Civil disobedience REQUIRES massive numbers in order to succeed. With that in mind, we ALL need to either STAND for our beliefs, or just shut the "F" up, and turn in our guns.

One or the other people.

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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H.L. Mencken
 
markd,

I know your in a bad spot. A CHP friend has asked me to 'keep' his for awhile. He isn't going to register it.

I just think if EVERYBODY didn't obey, CA would be forced to surrender, or at least not enforce it.

As for a SC ruling on the 2nd. We need that, but it won't affect CA until a SC ruling on the 14th as it relates to the 2nd. The SC refused to hear Morton Grove and it's 14th Amend argument and even Scalia is not sympathitic despite the plain language used by the Senator who introduced the 14th.

Anyway, I'm buy at a faster pace. Once I get my basic desired firearms, I will make sure some are in my wife's name just in case my civil disobedience gets me in trouble.

Hard choices.

madison

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dennis Olson:
My words were not directed at any particular individual. Just the opposite, in fact. Civil disobedience REQUIRES massive numbers in order to succeed. With that in mind, we ALL need to either STAND for our beliefs, or just shut the "F" up, and turn in our guns.

One or the other people.

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Right now, Canadians are showing more b@lls then us Americans. They are in the process of Civil disobedience and even the police are rethinking thier stand on the registration system.

Me, I'll probably die by the hands of the guberment, of which I served in the military, and not by the criminals. It's bad when you are more scared of the guberment then you are of the criminals. Both will kill you but one gets away with it (sometimes both).

Will I pay for having my guns? I already paid for them when I bought them, including tax. I don't need to keep on paying to keep them. I have an unregistered car in my driveway with no insurance, should I have to pay yearly just to keep it? I'll pay the registration fees for my tags because I believe that the roads do need to be repaired and built. What will my money go towards if I register my guns? New ranges (free), more open land in which to target shoot? Hunting ranges? No, it will be used for more "education" on the evils of guns or for raises for the anti-gun politicians. So, in essense you are PAYING for them to take your guns from you. You spend $50 dollars (or even $10) for every gun you own, then you pay $25 to $35 dollars a year to NRA, GOA, etc.. to fight for your Rights. So, you're paying to ban guns while at the same time you're paying to save guns. Doesn't make sense to me.

USP45usp
 
I agree about the Canadians. They seem to have the anti-rights crowd on the run. http://www.lufa.ca ( I think)

madison

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by USP45usp:
Right now, Canadians are showing more b@lls then us Americans. They are in the process of Civil disobedience and even the police are rethinking thier stand on the registration system.

Me, I'll probably die by the hands of the guberment, of which I served in the military, and not by the criminals. It's bad when you are more scared of the guberment then you are of the criminals. Both will kill you but one gets away with it (sometimes both).

Will I pay for having my guns? I already paid for them when I bought them, including tax. I don't need to keep on paying to keep them. I have an unregistered car in my driveway with no insurance, should I have to pay yearly just to keep it? I'll pay the registration fees for my tags because I believe that the roads do need to be repaired and built. What will my money go towards if I register my guns? New ranges (free), more open land in which to target shoot? Hunting ranges? No, it will be used for more "education" on the evils of guns or for raises for the anti-gun politicians. So, in essense you are PAYING for them to take your guns from you. You spend $50 dollars (or even $10) for every gun you own, then you pay $25 to $35 dollars a year to NRA, GOA, etc.. to fight for your Rights. So, you're paying to ban guns while at the same time you're paying to save guns. Doesn't make sense to me.

USP45usp[/quote]
 
A popup window if you go to the Canadian site:

"In Germany they came first for the communist, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time nobody was left to speak up." - Martin Niemoeller

Don't wait for someone else to fight your fight. Freedom is yours until you let someone take it. The Firearms Act (C-68) clearly will destroy your Freedoms.

72% of Canadians polled said they would not register their firearms. Non-compliance to the Firearms Act will force the government to aim laws at the REAL criminals in Canada.

Help us fight for a free democracy, Join LUFA now!

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Gota like thier plan AND thier b@lls.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madison46:
I agree about the Canadians. They seem to have the anti-rights crowd on the run. http://www.lufa.ca ( I think)

madison

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Well, my original plan (established by some friends in college) has been to stock up dual sets of everything. Buy two of each item I wanted to shoot regularly and stash one - register the other.

The originator of this idea (now a cop)now has two complete sets of ammo, armor, guns, etc. in anticipation of registration.

However, after talking with madison46 on the subject and examining the history of the civil rights movement, I am convinced this is the wrong approach (and damned expensive too). Civil disobedience is the only answer for registration.

I won't castigate anybody for their decisions since it isn't my life on the line. Being safe and sound from such threats (for the moment) in Texas, it would be easy for me to pontificate on how I'll never register but its one thing to talk about it from here and another thing to live with the results of such a decision.

However - as I see it, civil disobedience is the only chance Californians have of resisting this unjust law. Those that choose to obey California law on registration only make it that much harder on those who choose civil disobedience (which requires more numbers than the justice system can process to be successful).
 
Why doesn't someone grab a bunch of the forms, post them online so people in other states can print and mail registration forms? I will send out 20 or 30 my self! A few with NEVER written on them would be great. I think I might register Clinton's COCK as it is a dangerous Assault Weapon. A little civil disobedience never hurt anyone.

STeve
 
It's quite plain to me.... these laws are unconstitutional and therefore are not laws to be obeyed. I will never register.



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
Once registered, you can't devise it by will to another person in this state. Sorry son, you can't have it. That means, when you die, a dealer must have a special permit to take possession and said dealer is then permitted to ship the firearm out of state.

Of course, you can register it under two names, but ultimately the problem will arise. The end result is that in about 50 years time, there'll be no more legal black guns in Kalif.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SCR1:
Why doesn't someone grab a bunch of the forms, post them online so people in other states can print and mail registration forms? ... A little civil disobedience never hurt anyone.[/quote]

This happened pretty widespread up in Canada. Better even, they went out of their way to submit and pay registrations on politicians, random citizens, dead people, known-anti-gun persons and non-existent people. Apparently, at times, there were so many fake registrations they were believed to out number the real ones!
 
NOW that is a GREAT idea ! Can anyone find those forms online?

My granddaddy, god bless him, would love for me to use him to register a firearm.

Oh, this is a great idea and a great form of Civil Disobedience !

I'll look for the forms....

madison46

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SCR1:
Why doesn't someone grab a bunch of the forms, post them online so people in other states can print and mail registration forms? I will send out 20 or 30 my self! A few with NEVER written on them would be great. I think I might register Clinton's COCK as it is a dangerous Assault Weapon. A little civil disobedience never hurt anyone.

STeve[/quote]
 
This is a thought-provoking and difficult topic, but I must say, I'm still with Mark. I'm going to register my guns. I like to shoot them. I wouldn't get much satisfaction knowing I had some great rifles buried in my back yard.

It seems to me that we can either: (1) not register, and immediately become felons, afraid to show, talk about, or shoot our rifles, or (2) register now, and IF, in a few years, things get to the point where guns are being confiscated, ship them out of state or hide them and become a felon AT THAT TIME. I don't plan to EVER turn mine in to the state.

I can see the point of civil disobedience, but isn't not registering more like hiding than protesting? Wouldn't the point be better made by many thousands of Californians registering their "assault weapons" - and then, a few years later, having statistics to prove that few or none of these guns were used in crimes? I know, the gun control crowd probably won't be swayed by mere facts, but it doesn't hurt to have good numbers on our side.

Now that idea of sending in thousands of bogus registration forms, as a form of civil disobedience, seems like a good one to me. Unlike just failing to register, this is a clear act of protest that might get some attention. Cost some money. Mess up the system. Show that someone is ACTIVELY opposing this law. Expecially if MANY people participated - all gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters, not just the relative few who own banned rifles. I hadn't really though about this, but the more I do, the more I like it.

Doug
 
Doug,

I like the idea as well. I don't have an evil one, but I sure would like to be civil disobedient anyway.

Your way with your rifle sounds good. I just hate it that we have to go through it.

madison

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DougB:
This is a thought-provoking and difficult topic, but I must say, I'm still with Mark. I'm going to register my guns. I like to shoot them. I wouldn't get much satisfaction knowing I had some great rifles buried in my back yard.

It seems to me that we can either: (1) not register, and immediately become felons, afraid to show, talk about, or shoot our rifles, or (2) register now, and IF, in a few years, things get to the point where guns are being confiscated, ship them out of state or hide them and become a felon AT THAT TIME. I don't plan to EVER turn mine in to the state.

I can see the point of civil disobedience, but isn't not registering more like hiding than protesting? Wouldn't the point be better made by many thousands of Californians registering their "assault weapons" - and then, a few years later, having statistics to prove that few or none of these guns were used in crimes? I know, the gun control crowd probably won't be swayed by mere facts, but it doesn't hurt to have good numbers on our side.

Now that idea of sending in thousands of bogus registration forms, as a form of civil disobedience, seems like a good one to me. Unlike just failing to register, this is a clear act of protest that might get some attention. Cost some money. Mess up the system. Show that someone is ACTIVELY opposing this law. Expecially if MANY people participated - all gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters, not just the relative few who own banned rifles. I hadn't really though about this, but the more I do, the more I like it.

Doug[/quote]
 
Hmmm, the submitting fake registratiion forms is a great idea!

It also lets those of us who are out of state help. I sure have been wanting to register my Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40-watt range with the state of California (just in case).

It also serves an important purpose. Registration is useless for confiscation if it can't distinguish between gun owners and non-gun owners - if a bunch of real people who do not own guns are registered - it sure makes using that list for confisaction a problem.
 
The point is guys that people from other states can help your cause by doing this. Don't lose sight of the ball. Let's be Little Civil Disobedient Bastards. I do not live in California. But would like to see them get showered with hundreds of thousands of blank forms. Please read my new topic on this.
 
This idea needs to get out. Someone please post to AR15.com, Freepers, etc. We HAVE to do this. Even if it costs us each a hundred bucks (5 forms), it's well worth it if we can clog the system to the point of failure. We need millions of forms to do it though.

Get the word out ASAP!
 
SCR1, Dennis:

It is a GREAT idea - the problem - got to get the forms from DOJ or PD and can't fold them etc....

I'm still checking though. Re read PKAY's initial post that started this thread. THIS IS A GREAT IDEA if we can pull it off.

madison

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dennis Olson:
This idea needs to get out. Someone please post to AR15.com, Freepers, etc. We HAVE to do this. Even if it costs us each a hundred bucks (5 forms), it's well worth it if we can clog the system to the point of failure. We need millions of forms to do it though.

Get the word out ASAP![/quote]
 
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