BW3's "no gun" signs: Are they enforcible?

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Shortwave, I think we're saying the same thing. (If they say no guns, don't go there). My "you are not so special" comment was towards the guys "sneaking" their guns in places it's posted no guns. They are basically saying that their rights supercede the owner of the establishments
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I'm thinkin you're right. We are saying the same thing. My apologies for mis-understanding the "special" comment. And I fully agree that one should honor the wishes by not carrying on private property should the owner request it.

Over the years I have been to/worked a few rather large outings held on private properties in which all weapons(guns,knives etc) were checked at the door due to alcohol consumption and not returned till the next day.
NO exceptions!

If you checked a weapon and entered, it didn't matter if ya stayed for 10mins. or 10hrs., were partying or not. You could not get your weapon back till the next day.
Those were the rules and everyone knew it before they entered.
Didn't like the rules, find someplace else to go.

Can only remember a few times in which someone got outta hand after partying too much and wanted to retrieve their firearm before leaving. Not once do I remember them getting it. Had one guy I remember that was torn up and wanted to get his pistol, leave the event and drive from Ohio to Oregon. :rolleyes:

Ended up talking him into staying the night in a cabin at the event. He was a lot more thankful the next morning for us not letting him leave then he was the night before.

Man I DON'T miss those days!
 
I'm know I'm gonna get it from some of you guys for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago, I made a POLITICAL DECISION regarding CCW, unless I'm facing a metal detector or search at a government building, I carry REGARDLESS of any posted policy to the contrary. Private property or not. I decided that my personal safety TRUMPS anyone's hoplophobia. Stores, Church, Lodge, Offices, wherever I go, I'm carrying, like it or not. I have ignored "No Weapons" signs countless times, and I will continue to do so.
 
I think it should be legal to carry everywhere there is no alcohol consumption. You only have to look in this past year to see church shootings, school shootings, theater shootings....and I can't remember a single one done by a guy (or gal) legally carrying. One of my constant arguments has been IF in the theater the gunman confronted a room full of armed individuals instead of unarmed targets, how many shots would he of gotten off? IF the gunman would've confronted armed teachers instead of people cowering in corners or unarmed defender, how far through the schools would they have made it?

When I was stationed at Lewis, some crazed guy came into the mall in tacoma and began shooting people. He was taken down by the store clerk at my favorite knife store who cc'd.

The pearl, MS shooting was stopped by an armed principle.

Mass church shooting in colorado springs was stopped by a church member with a ccw.

And I agree, my safety and my family's is important...thats why I don't go to places that don't allow me to carry.
 
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I'm know I'm gonna get it from some of you guys for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago, I made a POLITICAL DECISION regarding CCW, unless I'm facing a metal detector or search at a government building, I carry REGARDLESS of any posted policy to the contrary. Private property or not. I decided that my personal safety TRUMPS anyone's hoplophobia. Stores, Church, Lodge, Offices, wherever I go, I'm carrying, like it or not. I have ignored "No Weapons" signs countless times, and I will continue to do so.
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1) I hope that action (IMHO a reckless action) does not get you in legal trouble.

2) While you phrase it as though you put your safety above property rights, that's not really true. You create a false conflict, and the "Safety" issues appears to be a red herring. If your Lodge, Church, or Store posts a "No Guns" sign, then you have the option to leave. You are not forced to enter, and I would be willing to bet you can find alternatives that do not have those policies. You decided your desire to carrry trumps a person's right to control their property.

3) You were correct to label it a political decision.
 
depends on your state law, in Indiana it is not enforcable/illegal, however they can ask you to leave and have you trespassed from the property as their discretion.
 
The trouble is, BW3 serves beer. They might change it, but as of now, you can't carry in any place that serves alcohol in Ohio. Not BW3's choice, just the way it is.
 
"unless otherwise authorized by law" states the legal sign...

. to carry concealed legally you must in the manner set down by your states laws apply for and be granted a CCW Permit
thus you are authorized by law to carry a concealed gun

so if you have a CCW the sign is not restricting your carrying a gun.
...or am I missing something?
 
Beat ya shortwave

False.

From the prohibited carry locations of Ohio's 2013 cc laws:

• Licensed Class D liquor permit premises if you are consuming beer or
intoxicating liquor or are under the influence. If you are not consuming, you may carry unless there is a conspicuous sign prohibiting carry.
Possession of a concealed firearm is allowed in a retail store
with a D-6 or D-8 permit as long as the concealed carry license holder is not consuming liquor. Class D permits are generally issued to an establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises. In any event, do not consume beer or intoxicating liquor before carrying a concealed handgun into a licensed premises.

Also from BW3: Buffalo Wild Wings respects the right of individuals to carry firearms. One of our top priorities is the comfort, safety and enjoyment of our Guests and we have elected to exercise our right to prohibit the carrying of firearms in our company-owned restaurants. We regret any inconvenience this may cause but believe that this long-standing position is in the best interest of our Guests and our Team Members. This position may vary in independently owned franchised locations.”

AND even cops have been denied service at BW3's (this isn't from ohio): The group walked into the Buffalo Wild Wings located near Wellington Road and Market Street, but were refused service by an employee who said they had to secure the guns before they would be served.
The officers had their badges displayed but still weren't served.

After that incident the store manager did appologize and say cops were welcome, it was an over zealous waitress that denied the cops service...

I believe the "unless otherwise authorized by law" is more for cops... Doing their job.
 
but were refused service by an employee who said they had to secure the guns before they would be served.
The officers had their badges displayed but still weren't served.

After that incident the store manager did appologize and say cops were welcome, it was an over zealous waitress that denied the cops service...
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If the cops were there for coffee and a snack, or even dinner, they shouldn't be refused service because they are armed. HOWEVER, if they (or even one of them) is ordering a drink (alcohol of any kind), THEN I believe both the employee and the establishment is correct in requiring firearms to be secured, or refusing to serve them alcohol.

Cops are no more immune to alcohol fueled misjudgments than anyone else.
 
I'm know I'm gonna get it from some of you guys for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago, I made a POLITICAL DECISION regarding CCW, unless I'm facing a metal detector or search at a government building, I carry REGARDLESS of any posted policy to the contrary. Private property or not. I decided that my personal safety TRUMPS anyone's hoplophobia. Stores, Church, Lodge, Offices, wherever I go, I'm carrying, like it or not. I have ignored "No Weapons" signs countless times, and I will continue to do so.
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So if your actions make front page news it doesn't hurt any one but you?Your actions are not selfish/self centered? It's your right to protect yourself and if the majority of people who make those rights available through their fight (me, NRA, Majority of gun owners) are lost it's because of what or who?.

That is not what a responsible gun carrying adult should be doing and what you suggest is just what Anti's are looking for...a Poster Child. What is done in negative light rarely becomes undone for the sake of the majority, they are all cast in the same light.
 
All this arguing and I'm still trying to figure out why it would be BW3?

First I thought typo, since 3 is so close to W but then somebody else went with BW3 and I even see BW2. That's a lot of typos. Is everyone just not checking their work before they hit "Submit" or am I missing something? Neither of those is shorter than the obvious BWW.:confused:
 
Origional name was buffalo wild wings & weck. Bw3's..

And the cops were plain clothes and ON DUTY... So I doubt they were going for a few brewskies...though you never know...
 
Well,
Sounds like bw3 has options I'm most locations to ban guns....

It happens that some places they can put signs up Willie nillie...

Other places they have to use signage prescribed by the state....

Bww apparently isn't a51% establishment so I see no issue eating with your gun....

Gun or no gun, I don't care for bww any way..... The company wide no guns thing just cements the chance that I'll never pass through their doors
 
The illusive truth !!

That is not what a responsible gun carrying adult should be doing and what you suggest is just what Anti's are looking for...a Poster Child. What is done in negative light rarely becomes undone for the sake of the majority, they are all cast in the same light.
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I guess I would ask, to whom or what are you responsible to? For more than one reason, I am not comfortable leaving my gun under the front seat of my car as well as entrusting my safety to but LE's, 15-minutes after an incident. As far as the Anti's looking to find fault, they are never reluctant to fabricate or embellish a situation. .... ;)

Why do we feel the need to hide or apologize for our lawful and moral actions? I don't believe in getting in folk's face but these business signs are ridiculous and actually serve no purpose. .... :rolleyes:

Be Safe !!!
 
It still comes back to the point of doing business and enriching your enemy
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Your enemy?

Why does a sign saying the owner doesn't want your guns in his store make him your enemy? Foolish or misguided you can argue about all day long. But do you know that BWW is actively lobbying for control control measures or against the 2A?

I just want to make sure you understand that not every "No Guns" sign is a political statement or proof that someone want's to deny you your rights. In some cases they just want to exercise their own and I would not want to take that away from them.

Why would I be deserving of my own rights by wanting to deny someone else their own?
 
Why does a sign saying the owner doesn't want your guns in his store make him your enemy? Foolish or misguided you can argue about all day long. But do you know that BWW is actively lobbying for control control measures or against the 2A?
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I don't know if I consider them an "enemy", but I do consider them a threat. More, and more businesses are erecting signs banning legally carried firearms in their places of business. There may be alternative business you can patronize, or there may not be any in your area. If you do decide to go into the business, you must lock your gun in your car which opens you up to theft. If enough businesses post signs, at some point you may decide it is too much hassle to carry, as you don't want to be constantly leaving it in your car.

See where this is going? We already can not carry in government, nor educational institutions, and stadiums. Now business are restricting our ability to carry. Will it reach a point where our right to carry will be impractical to actually use?
 
I guess I would ask, to whom or what are you responsible to? For more than one reason, I am not comfortable leaving my gun under the front seat of my car as well as entrusting my safety to but LE's, 15-minutes after an incident. As far as the Anti's looking to find fault, they are never reluctant to fabricate or embellish a situation. ....
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The law for starters. and what We were talking about is someone going in illegally and knowingly carrying where signs are even legally posted. No one wants you to be unarmed either.

Don't go in at all! Thats what I want, for people who have guns to be responsible enough not to do things that cause the rights of he responsible and sensible to lose their rights as well.

Common sense says that many laws and rules are written and imposed due to someone doing something stupid and the smart ones suffer for it. What one gun owner does irresponsibly will be used against the rights of the many especially with the opposition that already exists.

Being gung-ho about the second amendment and testing boundaries is not what a grown up should do. I expect that from someone whose emotions drive their actions more than rational/common sense thinking.
 
Why do we feel the need to hide or apologize for our lawful and moral actions?
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Why do you feel you have the right to violate those of the property owner?

His house, his rules - don't like them? Either convince them to change them to your viewpoint or do not go there. As others have mentioned, their food isn't that great in the first place; adding revenue to a company that is against your political views seems ridiculous; silently violating their rights does nothing to solve anything.
 
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Know and follow the law

The law for starters. and what We were talking about is someone going in illegally and knowingly carrying where signs are even legally posted. No one wants you to be unarmed either.
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Depends on the state's laws and In some states, you are not in violation of it's laws, for just carrying, in a posted private business. If one is foolish enough to "flash" then he is asked to leave. Here in Iowa, we have no means to prosecute for "just" carrying. If there was such law, it would be followed. ... ;)

Why do you feel you have the right to violate those of the property owner
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Well, his right, is in posting the sign and I respect that. My right is the natural God given right of self protection which in no way, interferes with his right?

Be Safe !!!
 
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