BW3's "no gun" signs: Are they enforcible?

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In Ohio, will Ohio enforce BW3's no gun signs? I ask because the law has specific suggestions like on the door, visible, a certain format, etc. Some businesses, I suspect to play both sides of the debate do everything wrong, but still have a sign of some sort.


Why I ask:
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They are translucent print on a black window...nearly invisible
They are wrong wording and format.....no picture.
They are not on the entrance door.

The law says post this on your entrance doors:
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We can expand this discussion to all of the wrongly signed buildings and parking lots.
 
BWW is a private company and can post whatever signs they want, or restrict things they don't like. So posting their sign is legal. It may not be illegal to carry firearms in their restaurant because they don't serve enough alcohol to to meet the threshold established by Ohio law, but they can restrict firearms for their own reasons.

If caught carrying on their premisis you'd be trespassing and probably be asked to leave.
 
If Ohio law calls lays out specifics for the sign, such as wording, colors, etc., BWW's sign may well NOT pass scrutiny of the law and would then be worthless.

If Ohio laws says only that the premises be posted, then BWW's sign may well carry force of law, but could probably be challenged on terms of visibility, etc.

You'll need to either read the specific sections of the law, or get a read by an Ohio attorney.
 
Nathan, It would probably depend on what kind of mood the judge was in, but I am pretty sure that your are correct about Ohio's required sign format, in which case it would be like the Starbucks deal in that they've made their position clear, but they cannot criminally prosecute you for violating it.

Maybe there is an Ohio attorney out there who can verify this.
 
I would think it similar to Michigan where the signs are not enforceable but trespassing is...(edit: In Michigan signs no matter what they look like are not enforceable)

Either way in my opinion it's better to give your money to businesses who stand by your rights. BWW was a place we went as a family on a regular basis until they adopted their position as anti gun. We now happily spend our money with their competition.
 
I refuse to do business with places that display these signs, unless it's somewhere I REALLY want to patronize. Then I simply don't see the signs...
 
If OH is like TN, carrying past their sign would not be a criminal offense, as it doesn't meet the legal requirements for posting signage. They can ask you to leave, and failing to do so would open you up to trespassing charges.
 
I'm more concerned with the general enforcement of such signs.

Regarding decisions to patronize, trespassing, etc, I have no issue with either. I make my choices by my own process.

Trespassing is easily avoided. You get told verbally you aren't wanted. I have no issue leaving where I'm not wanted.

I'm kind of hoping someone knows where in OH bad signage was challenged, conditions of the challenge and the result.

This is not really like Starbucks as Starbucks has requested no carry. The Starbucks request does not carry the force of law anywhere. Carrying concealed leaves us legal and Starbucks' fruit n nut customers comfortable. I view the Starbucks issue as a fine compromise. Worse than before, but fine. Even as a gun lover, do I want hooligan looking folks wearing AR's in my store? Yes, they might have been Navy Seals for all i know, but....No, it would freak some less educated folks out and then they don't buy my stuff, then I have to sell my boat! Nobody wants that.
 
Besides, Hooters has FAR better wings. As does Champs.
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Not to mention Frickers, more family freindly as well. ;)

There is a note of caution reguarding signs that may not be legal:

Even if the sign is not legally correct and you have some legal right to enter with a firearm because of it, I would suggest no one do it where they serve alcohol.
 
my question is who the hell is gonna know your carrying anyway? are you going to say to them: "hey look, I'm lifting my jacket so everybody can see my gun...look at me, somebody please look at me".

at this point, sign or no sign, if they tell you to leave, you need to leave and try some other business to see if they will pay attention to you...
 
my question is who the hell is gonna know your carrying anyway? are you going to say to them: "hey look, I'm lifting my jacket so everybody can see my gun...look at me, somebody please look at me".

at this point, sign or no sign, if they tell you to leave, you need to leave and try some other business to see if they will pay attention to you...
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What if you have to use it in SD? Then you have not only put yourself before a jury but you have jeoparized the rights of pro-gun people by giving the anti's a poster child!;)

What's worse is you wrote about it in an open forum...do you think you can use the oops defense then?:eek:
especially withthis part of you statement being shown to a juror at this point, sign or no sign, if they tell you to leave, you need to leave and try some other business to see if they will pay attention to you...
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If you had to use in SD, wouldn't that be better then being dead? While your wife might get more sympathy from a jury if you're dead, she'd probably prefer you to be around.
 
deleted for being incorrect... Armorer-at-law is correct in his post below on Ohio's signage law.


This part,IMO, I got right....

...Agree that the wings at BW3's are the size of an anorexic pigeon wing and nasty. It's not hard to find a better place to go for wings.

Try Roosters.
 
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If OH is like TN, carrying past their sign would not be a criminal offense, as it doesn't meet the legal requirements for posting signage. They can ask you to leave, and failing to do so would open you up to trespassing charges.
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Ohio law is not like TN, or MO, or TX . . . In Ohio, signs prohibiting weapons carry the force of law (not just trespassing). The law does not say precisely what language must be on the sign. At a minimum, signs must be conspicuous and inform people that firearms and/or concealed handguns are prohibited. However, the law suggests that the prohibited locations post a sign that substantially says the following:
Unless otherwise authorized by law, pursuant to the Ohio Revised Code, no person shall knowingly possess, have under his control, convey, or attempt to convey a deadly handgun or dangerous ordnance onto these premises.

To answer you question, in Ohio, the BW3's sign carries the force of law if it is conspicuous.
 
I don't even get why you care if the signs are enforceable.

Someone doesn't want you to bring your gun into their business, why would you do it?

Is it because you don't respect what they want on their property?
Is it because you don't respect them for their views?
Is it because your rights are more important then their rights?

For me it's pretty simple, if someone doesn't want me to bring my gun onto their property I have a simple choice, leave it at home, or don't go to their place. To me, anything else is ridiculous and this includes "sneaking it" by them.

While you are showing some respect for other people, you get to have some for yourself.
 
ok, now that we know the sign in no particular format carries the weight of the law for no ccw. barring the usual suspects like court houses and the like, if a business posts no ccw in any reasonable form and you are found to be doing so, you will be arrested for ccw, and trespassing, not just trespassing; is this correct?
 
Better to read a good book than door signs !!

I dont know about Ohio, but that sign is meaningless in legally Missouri.
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Pretty much the same in Iowa, except in Local and Federal buildings. You have to be informed on your state's laws and follow them as best you can. .... ;)

I have A.D.D. and most times, can't get past; Open/Closed. Heck, there are times, I don't even see that. .... :D

We are not seeing many signs going up and some have come down.

Be Safe !!!
 
Not legit in regards to being punished if you're caught cc'ing (you should be ashamed if a waitress spots ya printing anyways lol)
However if you refuse to leave when asked then the police can intervene
 
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