Buying a Safe is too Confusing.

SaltySteve

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Hey everyone.
I'm looking for a safe for my rifles and whatnot. I only have afew but there are a couple of other things I want to store also. The thing is I don't know anything about them. I just started reading here about them and I am learning as I go. I have up to $1200 I can use for the purchase and don't want to make the mistake of spending it on junk. I'm hoping someone can steer me away from the bull and onto a Safe that is the most bang for my buck.
Looks don't matter.
Fire rating does.
Are there any paticular brands to avoid at all costs?

Thanks Steve...
 
Steve,

If you have any specific questions, please feel free to ask me.

I sell a number of safes, but may not have what you're looking for. Even if I don't have what you need, I can point you in the right direction.

I am not somebody that just sells safes....I am a commercial locksmith that specializes in safes and vaults.
 
If you have $1,200 to spend on a safe, you should get one which is fire resisted.
Not only you can keep you gun(s) safe in there, but other values and papers.
They are a pain to move so!:D
 
Count the number of slide bolts around the door... more is better.

Thicker door is better too.

Most gunsafes are really fire-safes with very secure locking mechanisms...
So check on the temperature/time ratio... how long at what temp...
the longer and higher the better.

Electronic combination pads are the most convenient but add to the expense...

If they tell you it's a 20 gun safe... think bull**** ...and figure on 10 maximum...

The taller ones are better because you will want two or more full shelves... up at your chest level or higher.

The lower portion should be open space with the guns against the wall... not in the middle...

Carpet kits are very nice but also add to the expense... :eek:

Shop carefully and be patient and you will find a bargain... I got mine at a gun show by buying a floor model from the display... :)

Bigger is worth the difference in cash...

It is a once in three generations purchase...
and a piece of furniture...
so don't buy something that looks like a piece of hud... :D :D
 
you should get one which is fire resisted.
Not only you can keep you gun(s) safe in there, but other values and papers.

This is what gun safe manufacturers want you to believe, but it's not true. Many gun safes may be ok for smaller amounts of valuables, and basic fire protection. Gun safes are not built to be as fire resistant or as secure as other safes designed specifically for those purposes.

There are some safes (gun safes included) which are built better than others.

Count the number of slide bolts around the door... more is better.

In some cases yes, and in some cases no. The weak link with any gun safe is the steel thickness. The thicker the better. Once you get to a decent level of plate (AMSEC BF series uses 1/2" plate), then the top and bottom bolts aren't as critical.

The additional bolts do come in handy on safes using thin steel. Many of the gun safes on the market are using 12 ga doors. Others use 10 gauge. Both are too thin and easy to pry apart.

Thicker door is better too.

Thicker steel in the door. Many of these safe doors are folded over to look thicker, but still don't use any substantial steel.

Most gunsafes are really fire-safes with very secure locking mechanisms

Most gun safes would not pass muster as a fire safe, and really aren't that secure. Many gun safe are just one step above a file cabinet.

So check on the temperature/time ratio... how long at what temp...
the longer and higher the better

If you want to take the word of the manufacturer. Each company tends to test their safes differently as there is no standardized fire testing for gun safes. One company's 60 minute safe may be built just like another company's 90 minute safe. Compare the construction more than the tag. 10gauge steel and two layers of fireboard should protect the same regardless of who makes the safe.

Electronic combination pads are the most convenient but add to the expense

And are less reliable over time. Mechanical locks tend to last forever, electronic locks are prone to failure. If you want speed, go electronic. If you want reliable, go mechanical.

If they tell you it's a 20 gun safe... think bull**** ...and figure on 10 maximum

100% correct. Each safe owner is going to have different weapons which require their own amount of space. If you add larger guns or optics, then it will reduce your space even more.

The taller ones are better because you will want two or more full shelves... up at your chest level or higher.

Some of the tall safes (72") are hard to get into homes. Keep that in mind before buying the safe, and run it by the person moving it first.

Carpet kits are very nice but also add to the expense

Here's a whole list of things that add to the cost, and don't mean a thing when it comes to gun safes:

Anything that's designed to thwart a drill: Diamond hard plate, angle in the frame, etc. Burglars don't use drills...locksmiths do.

Anymore than one relocker: If your relocker goes off, it's because somebody beat the lock on the safe. If they're that stupid, they won't be smart enough to defeat a relocking system.

Antipunch bolt systems: Again....burglars don't punch bolts on gun safes.

Bigger is worth the difference in cash

Some people prefer one larger safe.....I suggest multiple smaller safes. Keeping your eggs in seperate baskets keeps them more secure. It takes the same amount of time to break into these safes regardless of size. Multiple safes will increase that time per safe.

It is a once in three generations purchase...
and a piece of furniture

You shouldn't buy a safe because of how it looks, you should buy it because of what it can do. Many gun safe companies are more worried about look than function. There are real safes out there that look good too...and offer much better protection than a typical gun safe.
 
a1abdj
Good stuff... thanks

they won't be smart enough to defeat a relocking system.
The smart ones won't try to come in the front door and through the locks...

There are simpler and faster ways... :rolleyes:

Get beauty and quality you still have to live with the darn thing...

I like the idea of three smaller safes over one large...
But that doubles the cost... :o

I have a friend who has the one which is half the size of mine (same height) and hew cannot afford another one nor has he a space to put another one...
If he gets one more rifle... he'll be wishing he had been able to get the bigger safe. :)
 
Many of the low end safes come from China and are relabled with the US company's name. Cannon, Liberty Centurions, and some of the Brownings are imported and labeled.

The only low priced gun safe that I've seen which is made in the US, is the Winchester safes sold at Sam's. They are built by Granite Security in Texas.
 
So I guess my budget of $1200 is considered low. Lets say I have $2400 to spend. I was looking at the Fort Knox stuff. specificaly the Protector and the defender models. Much diff?? Am I on the right track? Also, what about the amsecusa stuff?
 
I bought the Granite Safe from Sam's

I am very pleased with it, Both it's perceived quality and price.

A1A, do you consider this to be a "decent " safe?

I paid about $650 for it.
 
SaltySteve,

One option you may wish to explore is buying a used commercial safe from a locksmith/safe company. It's possible to get much more protection than a "gun safe" for the same, or less, money.
 
So I guess my budget of $1200 is considered low. Lets say I have $2400 to spend. I was looking at the Fort Knox stuff. specificaly the Protector and the defender models. Much diff?? Am I on the right track? Also, what about the amsecusa stuff?

I sell both of those, and have nothing bad to say about either. However, I think from a "real safe" standpoint, the AMSEC is a better unit. The Fort Knox looks nicer, but I think the AMSEC would protect your valuables better. I think the AMSEC BF series is one of the best buys in its price range.

A1A, do you consider this to be a "decent " safe?

Granite builds an OK safe, but they've been caught up in the price wars with China. They have been cutting corners to produce a less expensive safe. They aren't bad safes, but I think a 10 year old Granite is nicer than the new ones.

One option you may wish to explore is buying a used commercial safe from a locksmith/safe company. It's possible to get much more protection than a "gun safe" for the same, or less, money.

This is an excellent option. However, many commercial safes are far to heavy for residential installation and must be kept in a garage. The delivery will also usually run quite a bit more than it would for a lighter gun safe. If you can get your hands on a good used safe and keep it in your garage, you'd be much better off.
 
a1abdj,
Thank you for the straight forward answers and info. It is refreshing to hear from someone who knows what he is talking about because he is in that line of business.
 
Safe for a pistol?

I was looking at safes at Wal-Mart last week. I saw a safe for $170. I think it was "sentry" (not sure). It was fire safe and water resistant (great for hurricanes). However, from what I have been seeing here, it would seem that this safe is too cheap to store a pistol (or two) in?

Is this safe good enough or should I get something else?
 
Is this safe good enough or should I get something else?

You should get something else, but not because of the quality of the safe. Sentry makes an excellent document safe. They are not very secure against theft, but they are very good protection from fire.

Document safes use a very moisture rich insulation, and the humidty levels within the safe are often too high for gun storage. I think Sentry even mentions this specifically in their owners manual.

Most types of document safes are constructed the same way, and there is really no way around it. The moisture will always be there, and there isn't any way to get rid of it without harming the safe's fire rating.

Sentry does make some regular steel safes without any fireproofing which would work well for handguns. I would look for a safe that is either all steel (no fireproofing), composite construction (dry fireproofing), or uses a dry insulation (gypsum).
 
Lets say I have $2400 to spend

That's about right for the top of the line Browning Medallion

That's what I have (five years now) and I'm very happy... :)

Electronic key punch pad has been flawless and I haven't even had to change the battery yet.
I open it at least once a week... often more frequently.

It's pretty too! :D :D
 
Thanks guys, I'm doing my best to reply in a timley manner but I'm on a ship right now in the Med and I don't have continious access to Internet. I have been reading everyones responses and trying to check some of the sites and get prices but it's hard to do on a super slow Int Connection and limited time online. I hope to get home 1st week of May and make this purchase. I'm trying to get this thing narrowed down soon so I can pull the trigger on this ASAP. There's been a rash of breakins where I live (our town has doubled since Katrina) and I wouldn,t be able to live with myself if someone stole my weapons and used them against someone. So I'm looking for theft protection first then Fire Protection. I have no Garage so it will have to go in the house. Plenty of room in my house. I know I stated $1200 then $2400 budget, but in reality I will spend what ever I have to to get the job done. I'm just trying to make a smart purchase. I don't mind spending it but I can't stand wasting money.
 
Steve,

It all starts with what you have to protect. If you only have $5000 worth of stuff, it isn't worth spending $4,000 on a safe.

If you have anything worth more than $5,000 to $10,000, then you need to stay away from just about every gun safe on the market, as none of them will offer the protection you need (with a very few exceptions).

The more protection the safe offers, the more you will pay...unless you're looking at gun safes. I've seen $7,000 gun safes that wouldn't protect nearly as well as a $4,000 real safe.
 
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