Bush's New Programs

[Immigrants do not owe you the consideration of speaking your language just for the honor of living in your community.
Their only responsibility is to come over not commit crimes and contribute to the tax base or at least not burden it]

Not correct.
Immigrants do owe the nation the debt to become useful and productive citizens, who contribute to the good, and are not burdens themselves.
That requires that they learn the language. I see too many who will not or cannot learn the language, and they are anything but useful and contributing citizens. Many or maybe most are on welfare, and happy to be that.

I have a friend who is a teacher. Once a girl student ask her how much money she made. When the teacher responded, the student said that her mother made more than than on welfare.
She and others have told me that many young kids intend to remain on welfare.

That is an example of the immigrants that are coming across our Southern borders today.
I freely acknowledge that there are many who do work very hard and desire a better life, but there are too many of the other kind.

Individually I take people for what they are, but as a group there are too many freeloaders, and whiners.

Jerry
 
I have a friend who is a teacher. Once a girl student ask her how much money she made. When the teacher responded, the student said that her mother made more than than on welfare.
She and others have told me that many young kids intend to remain on welfare.
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And is that little girl the daughter of an illegal immigrant or a US citizen? The problem exists regardless of the answer. Who is the biggest drain on the welfare system, illegals or citizens?
 
welfare is an entirely different matter and really doesn't have much to do with legal or illegal immigration.


here's another one.

what about the retard that either didn't speak english or just pretended not to that was next to me at the range a couple weeks ago. had the gun well past the screen and was showering me with .45 casings. when I asked him to move back a bit he just looked at me and said something in spanish. I corrected the problem, but imagine is something was happening that he really needed to know about and he couldn't understand what people were saying?
 
Welfare has a lot to do with illegal immigration because much of the problem is that illegals are recipients of welfare. If not welfare and health care where do you suppose all this "leeching" comes from?

what about the retard that either didn't speak english or just pretended not to that was next to me at the range a couple weeks ago. had the gun well past the screen and was showering me with .45 casings. when I asked him to move back a bit he just looked at me and said something in spanish. I corrected the problem, but imagine is something was happening that he really needed to know about and he couldn't understand what people were saying?
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Take it up with the range or don't go to that range anymore. Do you really believe that guy can't speak english at all yet was able to purchase a firearm and hit up a shooting range? Please. He was a jerk, nothing more. He could've been a jerk that spoke english or german but that wouldn't change the fact that he was a jerk.

Again, take it up with the range master or if he doesn't care, find a different range. If a shooting range wants to cater to hispanics then it can.
 
Quote from Lief:

"Do you actually have any proof to offer to substantiate this claim, or is this simplistic and paranoid rambling spurred by some obscure Internet "news" source?

Yes, a ton. However I do not intend to bother clicking and dragging the proof right in front of your nose, only to be called paraniod, etc. as you did in your post.

In fact, you can find a lot of information regarding this in the COUNTLESS numbers of executive orders signed by several Presidents on the White House web page, enabling such things to occur.

Yes sir, I have all sorts of evidence. And additionally, I also have a clue.

When you see THOUSANDS of illegal aliens coming in to Texas every hour, and you see them standing at the post office "Day Labor" spot while so called Law Enforcement officers drive by them day in and day out only to hand out a speeding ticket to a Texas native, you would have to be a lunatic to believe that those camps are meant for "Illegal Alien" detention.

They won't even GLANCE at them, much less put them in a detention camp. But if you want to continue on believing those camps are for detention of illegal aliens, go right ahead.

Just enjoy your stay.

Sincerely,
Gary Conner
 
Gary, when you make outlandish claims about government internment camps, then fail to provide a shred of evidence, that failure strengthens the suspicion of paranoia.
 
Immigrants do owe the nation the debt to become useful and productive citizens, who contribute to the good, and are not burdens themselves.
That requires that they learn the language
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Last I checked there is no official language at the federal level in America, though 27 states do. Any attempts in the past have been shot down due to concerns over violating civil liberties. If you have that big of a problem with people speaking other languages look at this site http://www.us-english.org/inc/, read up and do something about it.
I thought this was a free country. Shouldn't people be free to speak the language they choose?
 
Fox TV is now spanish? Discovery channel showing a program called AMERICAN chopper is now spanish? At least think before you open your trap. Just because you "spent a couple days down south" doesn't mean a damn thing. i've spent a couple days in panama, that doesn't mean I know what their culture is truely like.
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Read my statement again genius I have lived in Fla all my life. I only stated that I just spent a few days down south not that that is my total exposure to south Fla. My sister lived in Ft Lauderdale for a few years.
During my recent visit the TV was on constantly, on Fox as a matter of fact, I saw no Spanish language commercials. Probably because if a company was targeting an audience that spoke only or predominately Spanish they would tend to broadcast on a TV station that appeals to people of that language and not an English speaking audience.
oh, so what you're saying is that he has a choice. how about that. Wouldn't it be nice if all the people born here had a choice. wouldn't it be nice if all the people born and raised here in america could go out and ge a job without having to worry if they can speak spanish AND english or not.
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Everyone in his school has a choice all of my sisters' kids have or had a choice as to what language they took. I had a choice as did all my school mates. Your nephew is the only one I have ever heard of that did not have a choice.
Please link the school board web page in his district to show that Spanish is the only foreign language offered and that it is mandatory for graduation.
yeah hold on let me go spend my day looking for a link on the internet to a news broadcast I saw a year ago. I'll get right on that.
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Well that is the way it works in the adult world, you make a claim of that nature expect to be asked to back it up
the hell they don't. part of not causing a burden on the country also involves learnign the language so that the companies, people and governements don't have to completely change the way they do things.
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Where was there any mention of companies, people or governments changing to comply with their needs.
Companies choose to do so only because it serves their purposes.
People who are not bigots or xenophobes can choose to because it may broaden their horizons, or they can sit back and complain about those dirty PRs.

My wife barely speaks any English
She works six days a week ten hours a day, contributes to the tax base and consumes goods and services.
Together we bought a house contributing to the local tax base and supporting the schools even though we have no children.
Before I met her she spoke no English but owned her own business which contributed even more to the tax base and consumed even more goods and services.
Her family members are all the same as are all the members of her community that I have met
The parents in Mexican family next door speak no English but both get up every day and do their part for the community

My best friend growing up was Cuban is mother spoke not one word of English and his father about second grade level.
He was a master carpenter and built many of the buildings in Orlando helping to contribute to the growth of the community and helping to spur the growth explosion and the incredible appreciation of my home 20 years later.

If my wife has to conduct government business she has to bring her own translator just like every body else, it's just easier for Spanish speakers because there are so many of them here.
If a business wants to do business with her they will provide a person that speaks her language but nobody is forcing them to and if it doesn't increase their bottom line they don't.

I know many more natural born Americans looking for a hand out that I do foreign borns. I also know many more homegrowns that make excuses for not getting ahead than I do FOBs

Just a funny aside
The guy that is screaming the most about learning to talk good English gives the spellchecker a workout everytime I reference one of his posts
 
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"Gary, when you make outlandish claims about government internment camps, then fail to provide a shred of evidence, that failure strengthens the suspicion of paranoia."

Lief:

The fact is these supposed "Illegal Alien" detention camps are totally empty, all while Illegal Aliens control entire regions of South and Central Texas.

They travel anywhere they wish, often while wearing "Plan of San Diego" T-Shirts. However, local Law Enforcement agencies continuously claim they "are not authorized" to detain illegal aliens since the U.S. Border Patrol is (supposedly) the only Law Enforcement Agency charged with detaining them, regardless of their arrival in the interior on an almost minute by minute basis.

Will you explain to this "paranoid suspect" just how these "illegal alien detention camps" are going to obtain Illegal Alien guests, since all LEO agencies drive right past them on a daily basis, and can do nothing?

A detainee camp for illegal aliens, by definition, cannot be a detainee camp for illegal aliens if the government will not detain them. That undeniable fact is from which a portion of my so called "paranoid opinion" stems.

Additionally, you mischaracterized my previous post as having offered no proof. I made clear the fact, that there are signed Presidential Executive orders available on the Web Sites run by the United States Government.

They deal with many things relative to this matter, and as one example, the Director of FEMA can decide where you will be placed, and what function you will perform, in the event of an emergency during a declaration of Martial Law. In fact, they list all signed Presidential Executive orders ever produced, and it is not a difficult thing for one as learned as yourself to locate should you wish to apply any effort at research.

However, I am tired of clicking and dragging sites in front of people's noses who refuse not only to consider an extremely simple concept, but would rather immediately direct condescending statements at someone for simply answering a query (from someone else I might add) posted on a thread.

But here is a very simple concept for your consideration that may address your declarative statement regarding my "Paranoia".

If Law Enforcement Officers not employed by the Federal Government claim they have no authority to detain illegal aliens would you mind sharing exactly how these "Detainee Camps for Illegal Aliens" are going to obtain these supposed "Illegal Alien Detainee Guests"?

Being that the U.S. Border Patrol has set a record for failure in halting Illegals from entering this country, and considering not one civilian law enforcement agency other than the U.S. Border Patrol believes they have legal authority to detain these Illegals (unless they commit an additional crime other than unauthorized entry into the United States) I would truly love to know how these camps are going to be filled with these "Illegal Aliens".

In fact, most all of Texas would be "outlandishly" thrilled to find you could offer even a "shred of evidence" to prove such a miracle will occur. Especially since the United States Congress is considering legislation for an Amnesty program due to the unwillingness, or simple inability, to halt these masses from invading our country.

So factually, since it is addressed in written Executive Orders that during martial law the FEMA Director can tell you where you will live, and what job you will perform, I ask you to provide any reasonable evidence to prove any law enforcement agency in the entire United States, is capable of, and claims the authority, to round up and place the millions of Illegal Aliens in this country, into an "Illegal Alien" detainee camp.

I am saying the same exact thing a Washington State County Commissioner said about one Federal camp that was built in his precinct, so if you can resolve his concerns, I will be sure to try and pass it on.

He, I, and many others, await your evidence.
 
Gary, the problem with your interpretation, and hence my reaction, is that you are connecting two unrelated items and can offer no proof beyond your own speculation for that connection.

The 'emptiness' of the camps, for whatever reason, is not proof in and of itself, as you seem to think, that their intended purpose is for something other than that which is stated, namely the detention of illegal aliens; their emptiness merely demonstrates that they are not being used for the purpose for which they were intended, nothing more.

The existence of government plans and directives regarding national emergencies and martial law is, in itself, an item unrelated to the issue the detention of illegal immigrants. If, as you suggest, it is connected in a definite manner, i.e., not in your own mind but explicitly documented using credible and pertinent Federal reference and documentation, then you need to provide references that prove your interpretation of the connection between the two items. The burden of proof rests with you to prove your point, not me. Basically, you need to demonstrate what you said, that the camps were not built with the intention of using them to house detained illegal immigrants, but to house American citizens in the aftermath of an emergency somehow triggered by the presence of illegal immigrants. For such a dramatic claim, you need concrete proof, not interpretation of coincidences, attribution of unknown motives, and "reading between the lines." If you fail to provide such proof, then you either A) cannot provide such evidence to substantiate your claim, or B) are privy to evidence to which the general public is not, thereby making your position untestable.

Until such time as your can document your claim, it rests at best in the world of idle speculation and at worst in the realm of antigovernmental paranoia. Simply because some county commissioner agrees with you, doesn't make your judgement any more correct.
 
Gary,
What planet did you arrive from? Empty camps mean that they are to lock up U.S. citizens? The survivalist doomsday movement died in the 80's or so I thought. Guess you learn something new everyday.
 
You have ALL missed the point!

Those detention camps are really to house the unprecedented number of prisoners the Coast Guard will take when it invades France in October of 2008 to clinch Bush's re-election.

<Yeah, I'm just joking.>
 
Posted by JerryM
I have a friend who is a teacher. Once a girl student ask her how much money she made. When the teacher responded, the student said that her mother made more than than on welfare.
She and others have told me that many young kids intend to remain on welfare.
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The Republican assault on the poor by so called welfare reformation pretty much made welfare extinct...not the need just the $$.
However, we do still pay outrageous amounts in taxes for welfare....it's called corporate welfare and it's more lucrative than ever. Yeah, lets make that single minority mom drive 80 miles round trip to make minumum wage, pay for a baby sitter and then we'll write checks to corporate America for millions +
Where's our sense of compassion and fairplay?
Where's our conscience?:barf:


Rimrock
 
compassion? concience? fairplay? I'm afraid that such things are relics from antiquity, the only places one might find those rare things are the in small communities we forge through neighbors and family, nowhere else. you make me laugh sometimes redrock, you and your funny ideas. I give up, lets vote for that charismatic leader, he knows best. *gets up and walks off like zombie*
 
With all the problems with illegal immigrants and drug cartels, I'm surprised the government hasn't passed a law forbidding banks from transferring money to Central America. - Tyme
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My niece is a bank manager and told me that a transfer can only be done by an account holder. She started as a Spanish language specialist in a branch that served a Mexican neighborhood. The question becomes who can open an account and what information they must provide to do so. Any solution would be an imposition on everyone, since racial or cultural profiling would not be acceptable.
 
I have no problem with imigrants. My Grandparents moved here from the Netherlands, learned English, got jobs, and paid taxes. When in Rome right? The thing about "illegal imigrants" is that they are ILLEGAL! They should be sent home the minute they are caught. Our borders should be patroled enough to keep them out. I work in construction as an electrician in Michigan, and am sick of tired of a defferent trade being taken over by these so-called "undocumented workers" every week. I can't even coordinate with the other trades without a translator because the concrete, framing, drywall, painting, siding, roofing, and flooring contractors all employ migrants. Us and the plumbers are the only ones left because we need liceneses. I would support stronger border security and serious penalties for employers of illegals. Who knows who or what else is sneaking into the U.S. remember 9/11?
Ok I'm off my soap box now.
 
[The Republican assault on the poor by so called welfare reformation pretty much made welfare extinct...not the need just the $$.
However, we do still pay outrageous amounts in taxes for welfare....it's called corporate welfare and it's more lucrative than ever. Yeah, lets make that single minority mom drive 80 miles round trip to make minumum wage, pay for a baby sitter and then we'll write checks to corporate America for millions +
Where's our sense of compassion and fairplay?
Where's our conscience?]

Nonsense. The liberals and Bush haters will never see things as they really are.
Jerry
 
Nonsense. The liberals and Bush haters will never see things as they really are.
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As some republicans are turning against Bush, I guess they don't see things the way they really are either. So you must believe that Bush and co are the only people in America who know what reality is?

Corporate welfare, better known as tax deductions and subsidies, put billions of dollars in the pockets of large corporations every year. How do you justify the fact that some years a company as large as Pepsi doesn't pay any taxes. Or the fact that companies get tax breaks in America because they pay taxes in other countries?
 
JerryM
Nonsense. The Liberals and Bush haters will never see things as they really are.
Jerry
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The "Neocons" and "Bush kissers" will never see things as they really are!:cool:
But more traditional Republicans are finally abandoning this pathetic regime!
By mid term election time he may not be able to scare up a foursome!:D
Now that's political reality....Just look out the window!

Rimrock
 
BINGO RIMROCK Hot dam! I can hardly wait. Only thing that would be better is to have his sorry butt impeached-like monday.
:D
 
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