I use a lot of oil, a lot. If I could actually be damaging my firearms from over lubing them I'd like to know, but from where I stand(ok sitting at a computer) the only issue with over oiling is collecting dirt, and as long as you don't mind cleaning after every range trip or two I don't really see a problem there. Am I missing something?
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Limnophile
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My understanding is:
- Use too little lube and you risk damaging your pistol or, more likely, making it cease to function.
- Use too much lube and you risk --
All told, it's probably better to err on the side of using a bit too much rather than too little.
- Use too little lube and you risk damaging your pistol or, more likely, making it cease to function.
- Use too much lube and you risk --
- getting your pistol dirtier (including the innards not accessible by field stripping)
- getting your clothing dirty
- getting your surroundings dirty
- having to put in more effort to clean the gun.
All told, it's probably better to err on the side of using a bit too much rather than too little.
That makes sense to me. However, I wonder if your widow will know how to replace the parts, even if she knows what they are after you die. Oh well, she did not want top dollar for your B. H.P. anyway...she just wants to make due with what she can get for an altered gun. Hummm... I wonder what else the guy did to it. "I had better low-ball her and justify the low price by pointing out to her that the gun has been altered." Yup, removing the magazine safety will not effect the price what-so-ever...just put it back in.
If you are referring to the pad on the magazine safety, it is not useless to grease it in the context of a temporary expediency like just range use...I would not recommend it for a carry gun though. Since I do not use my H.P. as a carry gun, I can attest to the effectiveness of putting grease on the magazine safety pad...it improves the trigger pull drastically.
My wife is an intelligent enough woman that she will be able to get top $$$ for my guns when I am worm food. She knows that I do not own crappy firearms, that they have been maliciously maintained and have no modifications which diminish their value. Maybe your wife does not have the same knowledge. Maybe she will not be able to get a good price for the guns that might remain in your collection after you pass. All poodles are dogs not all dogs are poodles.
Your strawman argument is really pretty weak. If you are actively shooting the gun you are lowing the collector value or value overall in that gun every single time you pull the trigger. If you are selling a gun to a true collector leave it as is and don't shoot it. Use it as a pretty paper weight. People talk about value as if there is an absolute. Really unless the gun is unfired everything else is relative.
If you are shooting the gun on the regular the magazine disconnect will not be the major factor in devaluation. As I have pointed out actual usage and the wear associated with it will be the major factor. If after you pass the gun is sold to a shooter they will appreciate that the mag disconnect has been removed if they are familiar withe the BHP. Very few of the top BHP smiths leave the disconnect in by default. In fact most remove it by default and only leave it in if requested. The mag disconnect not being present will not greatly effect the value of the pistol as long as the seller knows the value of the pistol in question.
If by some chance you die before being able to reinstall it any loss can be minimized by marking and labeling your spare parts so that any wife, significant other or heir of any kind of will be able to match parts to the proper gun. So even if it is not installed at the time of the same the proper part will be there. As for the other work done on a particular gun the invoice for said custom work should suffice to explain the modifications and their value. If it was a minor part swap then it should not effect value unless your significant other is ignorant of the pistol in question.
Your attempt at syllogism was weak IMHO. I would have expected better.
Sweet Shooter
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I use a synthetic grease and I load the rails up with it. The gun will spit out what it doesn't want in the first 10 shots. The remaining grease, while some may say "attracts" dirt, helps keep that dirt out of the gun. It also helps keep water out in the rain. There is no more, or less, dirt/debris but what you see is what would normally end up in the gun. Golden rule keep your chamber free of any lube.
I never use oil on fast moving parts.
Oh and having the dirt suspended in the grease makes it a cinch to clean.
-SS-
I never use oil on fast moving parts.
Oh and having the dirt suspended in the grease makes it a cinch to clean.
-SS-
sirgilligan
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If you find you have used too much grease, clean it up and use less.
If you find that you don't like grease at all, use oil.
As to the magazine disconnect, doesn't it only come into play in the following scenario:
If I intentionally shoot someone, then it doesn't come into play. The mere act of shooting someone means I was also willing to deal with the possibility of the person dying from the shot.
As to the case mentioned, if the BHP found in the car had the magazine in it, then it doesn't matter. If, the magazine was out and the chamber was loaded then someone could state that the person was taking advantage of the removal of the safety. Granted it would be an idiotic way to leave a firearm for self defense in such a condition.
If you find that you don't like grease at all, use oil.
As to the magazine disconnect, doesn't it only come into play in the following scenario:
- Accidental shooting or discharge
- Magazine was out of firearm
- Chamber was loaded
If I intentionally shoot someone, then it doesn't come into play. The mere act of shooting someone means I was also willing to deal with the possibility of the person dying from the shot.
As to the case mentioned, if the BHP found in the car had the magazine in it, then it doesn't matter. If, the magazine was out and the chamber was loaded then someone could state that the person was taking advantage of the removal of the safety. Granted it would be an idiotic way to leave a firearm for self defense in such a condition.
Limnophile
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You are correct, but in the single case Ayoob hangs his hat on, the fact that a gun, not even involved in the ND, had a "safety device" disabled was used to demonize the shooter. The tactic may well have worked to the prosecutor's advantage, as Ayoob notes a plea bargain was reached. If the case would have gone to trial the prosecutor would probably have been a fool to bring up the irrelevant fact to the jury. But, leaning on the accused to get a good plea deal from the state's perspective makes sense, and it caused the careless fellow to spend good money buying Ayoob's time.
Bartholomew Roberts
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If you are in a shooting case that goes to trial, anything the prosecutor can do to demonize you WILL be done. If you don't train at all, you'll be painted as negligent. If you train beyond what your state requires, you'll be painted as a Rambo-wannabe.
The main thing is to understand why you are making a specific modification and document it so you can explain it later if need be. For example, if you shoot IDPA, removing the magazine disconnect makes it easier (and safer) to drop your magazine and show clear instead of trying to jam your saluting finger up the magwell to activate the mag disconnect so you can drop the hammer.
Regarding a magazine safety disconnect being removed, if someone is shot accidentally or negligently with that pistol, you've got a problem. All of life involves making risk/benefit determinations, even crossing the street. This is just another one of those areas with a miniscule probability; but serious consequences if it should happen.
If you want to reduce the grittiness without removing the disconnect, polishing the disconnect surface, the magazine surface, or (my favorite) grooving the surface of the mag disconnect to reduce surface area contacting the mag all are helpful - as are high lubricity coatings like chrome or NP3 for those parts.
The main thing is to understand why you are making a specific modification and document it so you can explain it later if need be. For example, if you shoot IDPA, removing the magazine disconnect makes it easier (and safer) to drop your magazine and show clear instead of trying to jam your saluting finger up the magwell to activate the mag disconnect so you can drop the hammer.
Regarding a magazine safety disconnect being removed, if someone is shot accidentally or negligently with that pistol, you've got a problem. All of life involves making risk/benefit determinations, even crossing the street. This is just another one of those areas with a miniscule probability; but serious consequences if it should happen.
If you want to reduce the grittiness without removing the disconnect, polishing the disconnect surface, the magazine surface, or (my favorite) grooving the surface of the mag disconnect to reduce surface area contacting the mag all are helpful - as are high lubricity coatings like chrome or NP3 for those parts.