Browning Hi-Power or Beretta 92FS?

Both are fine guns.

A new out of the box HP will be a little "tighter" until you get a few hundred rounds through it.

An older HP, especially a "T" series from the 60's is smooth as glass.

You can find a HP for under $400 if you are patient and you shop. I recently picked up an 89 MKIII in good condition for $360. A fellow over at fnhipower.com picked up a pair of "T" series HP's in like new condition for $450 each.

I would strongly suggest you take the opportunity to shoot each before you buy either. You really are talking about two very different pistols.

The HP is such a timeless classic that it would be a good one to purchase first.
 
CastleBravo,

I appreciate your love of the CZ-75 and regret that I have yet to have the opportunity to fire one. This is interesting because I have fired just about every reputable handgun out there. I have to question, however your statement that it is a better HiPower. You must compare apples with apples. I appreciate that the CZ can be carried cocked and locked, but the bottom line is that it is a double action gun. The HiPower is a single action gun. I disagree that any double action gun is an improvement over a single action gun. They are simply different operating systems and a person either likes one or the other or both. But the two can not and should not be compared as being better or worse than the other. Surely you would not consider the Para Ordnance LDA as an improvement over a traditional 1911???
 
BHP all the way. A BHP will fit anybody's hands. Best ergonomics of any gun. The Beretta is a not in the same league IMHO. BHP's seem to be getting scarce so good luck finding one you can afford.
 
I vote for the HP, either by B or FN.

I really like my CZ 75B Military, but now I like the new BHP MkIII I bought last year even more - trigger and all. Very, very similar in many ways. And honestly, I'd just about forgotten that the 75B has DA capability.

John
 
If you get the Beretta, don't forget to add in the cost of a tactical sling so you can carry that monster. :)

Doesn't make sense to me for concealed carry, unless you live in a very cold climate where you can cover it under the large animal skins you wear for survival...

A rich, deep blued BHP is hard to beat...

Grinch
 
SUNDANCE: Castlebravo is correct in what he is trying to say: the CZ gun is a better HP in that it is very similar in size, weight, balance, appearance (I still think the CZ guys ripped off the HP with no shame)... but, CZ addressed the only really bad feature of the HP: it's awful trigger design. It's true that CZ-75 is a DA/SA, but it still has a better trigger than an HP in either mode. CZ also offers SA only guns now as well.
 
For sports shooting both guns are good guns. However when you move to self defense especially concealed carry, the BHP surpasses the Beretta in terms of concealability and comfort. In addition there are DA/SA BHPs available. Even more interesting is a new BHP sub-compact which is about the same size as a Glock 26 but slimmer with DA/SA and decocker. Like the glock 26 it can hold its big brother magazines.

Buy the BHP DA/SA with decocker. Check FN for more information.
If you buy the Beretta it would still however be a good buy.
 
No bountyh...

CastleBravo is not correct. The HiPower is a HiPower and the CZ75 is a CZ75. Both are excellent guns with a rich heritage. But the CZ75 is not a better HiPower. I think the CZ75 SA is asinine, as is a DA HiPower. I think the Para LDA is ridiculous. Guns shoud stay with their original design and not try to transform into another design. As for the "awful trigger design" bountyh, one of the most accurate out of the box guns I have ever owned was a HiPower. Accuracy is not possible with a lousy trigger.
 
I think the CZ75 SA is asinine
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Could you elaborate on that? Do you have any technical reasons for the above statement? Are they supported by any empirical evidence?

Guns shoud stay with their original design and not try to transform into another design.
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That is one of the most astonishing proclamations I have heard in quite a while. Do you also extend that rule to cars? Planes? Computer chips?
 
ReverendHobo,

Questions are welcomed...your demeanor is not!

I don't need you to quote my words back to me, as I normally recall what I say.

Your questions are asinine; however, I will try to explain.

I love Sig pistols. I would not, however, if they had a safety or if they lacked the decocker lever.

I love Kahr pistols. I would not, however, if they were not DAO or if they had a double column magazine.

I love the Browning HiPower and the 1911. I would not, however, if they were double action rather than single action.

I have been most impresses with everything I have read on the CZ75. The CZ is apparently an extremely rugged, reliable, combat pistol. One of its noteworthy features that virtually no other pistol has is that it is a traditional DA/SA design, but has the ability to be carried cocked and locked, making it very versatile. I would have no interest in this gun, however, if this feature was removed rendering it SA only. If I wanted SA, I would choose a gun that was designed around this system such as the HiPower or the 1911.

All the pistols I mentioned above are different, however all are excellent in their own right. For one to try to be the other is absurd.

Reverend, my statement was that I THINK that the CZ75 SA is asinine. I don't need technical reasons for an opinion. It is simply my opinion. I didn't say it wasn't a good gun. It may very well in fact be just that. But, I think that it is an unneccesary concept.

And as for your other statement that my statement was an astonishing proclamation. You need to get out more.

And we are not talking about cars, planes, and computer chips...now are we? This is a gun forum, and we usually discuss guns Beavis. So let's try to stay on topic...shall we?
 
Hey, Hey, HEY!

Y'all all play nice, now, y'hear?

Criticize the gun, the design, the philosophy if you must, but let's don't be doing any name-calling, please.:D

Best,
Johnny
 
striderteen

Had big long eloquent post -- took a power hit and lost it all-- so here's the short: BUY THE CZ.

I was going to recommend the Beretta as best of your two choices UNTIL you mentionec the CZ as a 'possible'.

Without question, the finest combat/military pistol in the world, and just fine in nine.
(I own the poor sister EAA Witnesses, clones of the CZ).
Without question, the BEST magazines of any gun; the most robust durable work-in-any-conditions mags.

BUY THE CZ! HURRY! (accurate, too)
 
Re: Apples and Oranges:

You have to remember that the CZ was developed by modifying the basic Hi-Power design. Thus, if you prefer the CZ (I do, but I don't have much experience with HP's) you wouldn't be far off in calling it an improved Hi-Power.

Admittedly I haven't compared the two much, but I like the CZ. First off, it simply fits my hand better. Subjective, but important. But I like the safety much better, and the interior frame rails are neat. I've heard they keep dirt out better, but I wouldn't know. I also like the option of having either DA or SA on command. The only control missing is a decocker function like the one on the USP, but I don't think that's such a big deal. Of course, I can say that, since I'd probably use the gun in SA.
 
I don't understand how those of you who are saying that the CZ75 is a design improvement on the BHP can say this. I have both, (as well as the 92fs). Other than the fact that they are 9mm, semiautomatic, magazine fed, locked breech designs, they are completely different. The most obvious difference, (other than that BHP is SA only and the CZ is a DA/SA) is that the CZ has external slide rails and slides INTO the frame and the BHP has internal rails and slides ONTO the frame.

They present differently. They feel different. The manual of arms is different.

How can you claim different? Care to describe the design improvements of one over the other? They're completely different design inspirations by my way of thinking.

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2kiddadad: Here's why some people say the CZ is an "improved" HP (I also own both as well as a Ber 92fs): looking at the size, weight, grip angle, slide undercut, and general ergonomics the BHP and CZ are very similar. They both use a sear-blocking frame-mounted safety.

Yes, you can rattle off the list of internal differences that they have and completely miss the point. If I look at my HP and ask myself: "What is the one thing in the design of this gun that most needs fixing?" the word "TRIGGER" leaps to mind. And basically, the trigger assembly is the main difference between the two guns... and I think the CZ trigger is clearly better. And, as you mentioned, the CZ has full-length rails which are better than stubbies.

Yes, most CZ's are DA/SA and a HP is SAO, but I still like the SA pull of my CZ better than the BHP. So, in many minds like mine, the CZ is a "fixed" HP.

SUNDANCE- If you think the LDA trigger is ridiculous, it tells me you don't own one. It is very east to shoot accurately and requires no learning curve. Even my wife shot sub 2" groups straight out of the box at 15 yards.
 
Get a BHP, or better yet, a CZ.

Not sure if they've been approved for CA sales though, too lazy to check for ya. You could always find a private-party transfer from out of state anyways.
 
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