Breaking News: WMD's Found

Antipitas makes sense here. Good on him.

Back to the mudslinging:
When it an AK-47 a Weapon of Mass Destruction but 500 chemical artillery rounds aren't?
So what it is only 500 warheads. Democrats seem to forget the proof we have already seen of massive disruption with even a small amount of gas in a Japanese subway. WARNING to people with dialup connections:49 page PDF file.


Here is an incidental picture of a cute pound puppy (probably a mixed breed wolf/razorback hog) looking for a home amongst some fine Democratic family: Look at those warm cow-eyes and that sweet little presence asking for some fine liberal to take him home to their children. Just call 1-800-DNC-2006 :D
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Further, the speculation among the (retired) military leadership, is that had we crossed the border and gone into Syria, we would have found those WMD's... Again, with the fingerprints of the above named countries, and we simply stopped short of that, because of the international implications.

Ahhh...priceless it would be to sit in on a presidential cabinet meeting...and get some real answers.
 
Antipitas said:
The one thing this report does do, is to prove that indeed, there were WMD's in Iraq. That Saddam lied. No they are not the ones we thought Saddam had. In this, the far-right needs to tone down its talk of "proof" and its talk of vindication. By the same token, the far-left needs to step back and quit whining that there were no WMD's there. Obviously, there were and are.

Exactly.
 
To justify the war with Iraq the administration had three main talking points

1. That Iraq was actively developing "Weapons of Mass Destruction" to include nuclear ones.

2. That it had a "realtionship" with Al Quaeda

3. The "threat" of Saddam providing terrorists with WMDs.

President Bush said, "The Iraqi regime ...possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. It has given shelter and support to terrorism.... The danger is already significant, and it grows worse with time. If we know Saddam Hussein has dangerous weapons today —and we do—does it make any sense for the world to wait...for the final proof, the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud?"

"The British government," Bush said, "has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Powell did not hedge or qualify his case. "My colleagues," he said, "every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence."

"Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent,"

Iraq "retains a covert force of up to a few dozen Scud-variant ballistic missiles,"

"has illegally imported 380 SA-2 rocket engines."

"wherewithal to develop smallpox."

"warheads containing biological warfare agent...hidden in large groves of palm trees"

The factory with thousands of centrifuges intended to produce fissionable material for atomic bombs with the telltale aluminum tubes?

"biological weapons factories on wheels," adding that "we know that Iraq has at least seven of these...factories."

"hundreds of documents signed by Iraqi scientists putting them on notice that death would be the punishment for anyone who talked"

All these were claims made in the administrations case.......

The administration put Mr. Kay in charge of finding all this stuff and others. He couldnt say whether the vast majority of it existed or not, just that it could be a possibility.

Mr. Bush has even admitted the intelligence was flawed and errors were made.

We carry a concealed weapon because of possibilities, do we take it out and shoot someone just because they have the possibility of attacking us?

I am for a preemption doctrine when it comes to terrorism. That means getting you intel side of the house in order. I am not so sure that we have even accomplished that task yet. Before we put peoples lives on the line for possibilities.
 
So nobody else thinks a FOIA request should be filed in an attempt to get this report? What about contacting a legislator to see if he could do what Santorum did, but maybe more effectively? Of course, maybe it's more fun to speculate about what the report might contain. It's the French, it's the Syrians, it's the media, it's the liberals, etc., etc.

From day one with this "War on Terror", this has been one of the most frustrating aspects - not just the lack of full disclosure, but the lack of almost any disclosure of verifiable facts. When they do, it's so little and so late that they still cannot make a legitimate case. Classified or not, I'm getting really tired of watching Americans die in a conflict for which the Bush administration can't bother to even give straightforward or complete answers. So little respect for the American people ...

IIRC, they found trailers at one time. Made a big deal out them, too. :mad:

Mikeyboy, thanks.
 
mathman, you're right, but don't forget it's not JUST about oil. That's a large part of it, I believe. But it was also "you tried to kill my daddy" and "american jews will spill lots of money into our campaign chests if we take out the guy who dropped scuds on israel and would nuke them if given a chance", and also, though to a much lesser extent, it was the stated reasons for war as well: "we don't want saddam giving wmds to terrorists" and "he's a bad guy who murders his own citizens" and "establishing a democracy in this backward-ass region of theocracies is a good precedent for future peace and stability in the region."
 
FF...finally someone who I can agree with.

No, the war in Iraq is not about oil alone...there were lots of 'reasons' to go over there and take out Saddam. But let me be very, very clear. If there was no oil in Iraq (or not that much), I can't say that we would not have gone over there to take Saddam out...but I will tell you this: we would not still be there today.
 
Just to point out to those morons who say these aren't WMD


CHEMICAL WEAPONS ARE BY DEFINITION WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

Anyone who says they are not is being deliberately stupid. It is a definition, not an idea or theory, a definition. Do you understand what that means? If you do, and continue to say "there were no WMD" you are being dumb on purpose.
 
"american jews will spill lots of money into our campaign chests if we take out the guy who dropped scuds on israel and would nuke them if given a chance"

Is this really a path we want to go down with this thread? :confused:
 
Eghad. I think you need to stop adding qualifiers to it. Saddam was in violation of UN resolution 1441 ( see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_UN_Security_Council_and_the_Iraq_war ) which was a final warning to past resolution violations going back to the end of the 1st Gulf war in 1991. Among other violations (he was supposed to get rid of all missiles with over a 92 mile range, which he violated when he shot a silkworm at Qatar) He was suppose to destroy all NBC weapons. Apparently he did not.

What the US people were sold on is debatable, but the overwhelming concern was that if Saddam had NBC weapons he could give them to terrorist. Honestly with your logic if you suspect your best friend and your wife are having sex when you at work, you come home early to find the both of them "making out”, your wife is technically not cheating on you.

Don't feel bad, while the discovery of old WMD may make GWB look better, he still an idiot on other things (Border control, Oil Prices, etc) I voted for hime in 2000 and 2004, and honestly I wish I didn't, but look at my choices (Kerry, and Gore). Both side better come back to center quick, if not we need a 3rd party.
 
Those are the administrations own words....not mine. We didnt go to war with Iraq just because of chemical artillery rounds. Mr Powell gave 29 reasons at the UN. The vast majority of those remain unverified to this day.

How may chemical artillery rounds would you have to stick under your coat out in the open weather to kill 100 people?

How would you smuggle them in the country?

Iran and North Korea are in violation of various rules, when do we attack them?

stick a fork in me Im done with this one.....
 
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