Breaking News: WMD's Found

WMDs

My President believes that we can make democrats and republicans out of them, which I seriously doubt in view of their religion.

My suggestion is to kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. God bless the United States Marine Corps and the US Army.........Uuuh Rah! Semper Fi !

And release the Marines and one Corpsman being charged with murder at Pendleton! What a crock of "h" indicting them was!
 
Santorum is just getting desperate because he foresees a loss in the upcoming election and must therefore come up with something...ANYTHING...to try and save his worthless hide.

As much as I despise Democrats, I will vote for Casey for no other reason than to get rid of this despicable scumbag.

http://spreadingsantorum.com/
 
Marko Kloos is right. We will be there well into the future...to keep a foothold in the region to make sure the oil keeps coming.

There is substantial discussion right now about when we are going to reach 'peak oil', and whether it is 5 years from now or 30 years from now. (The predicitions vary along the lines of one's political/economic interests.) We (the U.S.) are just getting our troops over there to be sure that we have a 'base' in the region so that the other oil consuming countries (China, Russia and Europe) know that we aren't going down without a fight.

Call me crazy...I don't care...but this is why I think we're there. If you turn off CNN and FoxNews (et. al.)...you might see that there is some merit behind this.

The terrorist attacks of September 11 were absolutely horrible and I feel that the 'War on Terror' is justified...more than justified...and I want revenge/justice as much or more than the next guy. But the attacks were also a very good opportunity to send troops to the Middle East (particularly Iraq)...I mean, what the hell, who was going to argue with sending troops to Iraq after 9-11? What a perfect opportunity.

These 'terrorists' that we are fighting in Iraq are just criminals...equivalent to our own criminals in the U.S. (just visit Los Angeles sometime). And our criminals would be doing exactly what their criminals are doing if another country were to invade the U.S.

Before you flame me, stop and think about it for a minute...that is exactly what the government/media doesn't want you to do...so, if you keep watching the television media, you'll be able to convince yourself of whatever you want to believe.

I just can't believe how many people in our country just don't see the bigger picture...geez.
 
Oh yeah...simplistic thinking...I love it.

Then why don't you tell me why in the hell we are over there.

The WMD reason is BS.

The terrorist reason is BS.

Hmmmm, let's see...maybe we're over there to help people out of the goodness of our hearts...I wonder why we don't do more in Africa...oh wait, not much oil in Africa, is there?

C'mon, get out of the backwoods of Georgia and figure it out.
 
You need to open your eyes! If you don't call the torture and killing of US servicemen terrorism then I would hate to see YOUR definition of terror! As far as WMD's, are you willing to bet YOUR A$$ that there are none in Iraq? If we are really over there for the oil why are we not rebuilding/repairing all those leaking piece of $hit oil piplines that are just sitting there not producing anything at all?
 
If you don't call the torture and killing of US servicemen terrorism then I would hate to see YOUR definition of terror!
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What happened to our servicemen is atrocious...and our low-life criminals would be doing to same thing to an army in their country, regardless of the reason.

As far as WMD's, are you willing to bet YOUR A$$ that there are none in Iraq?
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North Korea has been a far greater threat to the U.S. than Iraq ever has been. Why are we not pounding the crap out of that country...we could defeat North Korea just as fast as we did Iraq...why haven't we done it yet? I mean they are a real threat...perhaps they don't have anything to offer us?

If we are really over there for the oil why are we not rebuilding/repairing all those leaking piece of $hit oil piplines that are just sitting there not producing anything at all?
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We aren't in Iraq for Iraq's oil necessarily...we are there to be a force in the region. Look at its geographic location...Saudi Arabia to the west and Iran to the east...that's three of the highest oil-producing countries in the world.
 
North Korea is a two year old kid trying to see how far it can push before mommy whips his A$$.
What makes you think we need to be in that region to keep the oil coming??
 
What makes you think we need to be in that region to keep the oil coming??
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Well, in the early '70s, we were hit by an oil embargo and we know what happened then (I'm assuming)...skyrocketing gas prices, etc...

The countries in the Middle East don't like us...and if they were to once again impose an embargo (something that is not out of the question give our tendency to back Israel), it would wreck havoc on our economy. With our military presence in the region, it sure would be a lot easier to 'convince' countries to keep the oil flowing.

I know this seems simplistic, but it really is that simple...in this modern age of internet and instant communication and access to information, we ofter forget that everything that we do in our society is based on oil (both its availability and price)...EVERYTHING. Transportation, heating, cooling, food, plastic products, etc...it all depends on a steady (massive) flow of oil...and one day it will run out. It is debatable as to when that might happen, but it will happen sometime...that is a sure bet. And it won't just be gone one day...rather, it will slowly decrease in its availability and therefore the price will skyrocket as demand from us, china, europe, russia, etc, increases.

This is why (I believe...and I'm cerainly not alone) we are in the Middle East. Those countries and their people hate us because we have 'invaded' their culture at the time that their oil was first exploited. The ruling family got very rich and quelled the population to accept the fact that western culture was OK since the country (actually just a very few) was getting rich.

We need a presence in the region so that when the SHTF, we will be in a better position to impose our will. The United States without a steady supply of oil is no longer a super power.
 
it realy doesnt matter if we would have gone to north korea the liberals would have found another way to criticise the conservatives like saying saddam has wmd's:rolleyes:

is their a problem with the U.S. being a super power?
 
Is this a meaningless find? No. It's a small find, but it's not meaningless by any means. Not sure who had access to see what before, but I saw the full dossier based on the findings of the Joint Intelligence Committee issued in 2002 concerning Iraq's WMD programs. There was no doubt in my own mind then that Iraq needed to be taken very seriously as a threat to humanity in general. That's the funny thing about such issues---had we NOT done anything, what might Saddam been capable of or have already done by now? By the same tolken, what if we'd spent billions tracking down and taking out Bin Ladin in 2000 and 9/11 never happened? Would all those who are so quick to criticize our reasons for going into Iraq have said we never should have wasted the money or manpower to go after him? It's easy to criticize when we stop them before they get to demonstrate what they're really capable of. But who's fault would it be if we go back to ignoring the Husseins and Bin Laddins and see another 9/11? Did Hussein actually have WMD? I have no doubt he did, and he was actively persuing more--including a nuclear weapons program. So some might say we've paid a high price for the small recent find (think how much we don't get to see or hear about also). How high is the price when you consider what he may have prevented so far?
 
My President believes that we can make democrats and republicans out of them, which I seriously doubt in view of their religion.

My suggestion is to kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. God bless the United States Marine Corps and the US Army.........Uuuh Rah! Semper Fi !

And release the Marines and one Corpsman being charged with murder at Pendleton! What a crock of "h" indicting them was!
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cuate, this type of rhetoric is plain unnecessary, is only barely related to the actual topic at hand, and will only hasten the lock. Not to mention, this is the type of attitude that works against US interests within the current conflict.

I think Antipitas' original point is getting lost in this thread: what else does this report contain? If Santorum could get a few lines declassified, can someone else request further declassification? Would a FOIA request work here? I confess, I do not know my way around the intricacies of Federal classification of documents.

Inquiring minds want to know ...
 
If Santorum could get a few lines declassified, can someone else request further declassification? Would a FOIA request work here?
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Not unless you happen to be a losing incumbent politician who's a member of the same party as the administration. Rank has it's priveliges ;)
 
GoSlash27, you may be right, but it's worth a try at least. Looking at the DOD FOIA handbook (http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/foiapam3.pdf), though, it appears it may be a short trip to nowhere. If they can argue that the document is classified properly in the interest of national security, then it appears that a FOIA request will not work.

Frankly, I'd be willing to do the paperwork on this myself (which doesn't seem too considerable), and I'm in the middle of moving, planning my wedding, and training for a promotion at work on top of my regular duties. Not sure if I could pay the fees associated with fulfilling the request, but I'd find the time to do the gruntwork.
 
Here is a political riddle:
When it an AK-47 a Weapon of Mass Destruction but 500 chemical artillery rounds aren't?







Give up?









Answer: Whenever you ask a democrat.
For some people there will never be justification while for some any justification will do. That's the nature of politics today. You don't win elections by converting other people to your cause, you do it by getting enough of your base angry enough to actually get off their butts and vote the other guy off the island.
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
 
My whole problem with your argument is the 9/11-Saddam link. There was none; even the administration says so.
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Here is what gets me on that, the administration and the intelligence agencies told us within weeks after 9/11 that Saddam has no connection with Al Qaeda, and everyone especial those against the in Iraq take it as an absolute truth. So how can that be the absolute truth when the same administration and the same intel services said that Saddam had WMD after supposedly years of research leading up to the Iraq invasion? I'm not saying that Saddam had a direct hand in 9/11, but I'm saying there was an indirect relationship. There is a strong indication that Iraqi intel and Al Qaeda members at least met. If Saddam wanted to sell a WMD or if Bin Laden wanted to buy a WMD, messages could be passed and the deal could have be brokered very easily. I'm sorry, but Al Qaeda in Iraq seem to appear on the scene pretty quick, and they seem to gel with Saddam loyalist pretty well. When they attack Iraq citizens they try to go after Shiites since both Saddam and Al Qaeda hate them.

My problem is I really think that our government is not being honest about everything.

P.S. Leif good luck on the wedding plans, I just celebrated my 10 year anniversary. You think Iraq and the war on terror will make your head spin guys, try planning and paying for a wedding.
 
The one thing this report does do, is to prove that indeed, there were WMD's in Iraq. That Saddam lied. No they are not the ones we thought Saddam had. In this, the far-right needs to tone down its talk of "proof" and its talk of vindication. By the same token, the far-left needs to step back and quit whining that there were no WMD's there. Obviously, there were and are.

Both sides of the political spectrum should be ashamed of themselves. They are like two teenagers throwing a fit and having a tantrum because they can't get their way... The American public needs to remember that in the run-up to this ill-conceived war, both the left and the right initially agreed, and voted to give the authority to the president. Despite the outcome of the WMD thing and the posturing of both sides; both sides are continuing to back the President by authorizing funds for the war. The hipocrisy of both are clearly evident.

Now, as to what those documents may contain... After searching the various news sources, I believe that what we might find would cause one and all to rally around the countries defense. Hear me out for a minute, while I speculate upon the probable.

In the documents shown to Congress, there was enough information for most all of them to believe that Saddam had WMD's, had an active set of programs, and had a nuclear program ongoing. That much is history. After the authorization (or perhaps slightly beforehand), by congress, to allow the President to invade Iraq, we had a, what? Three or 4 month period where we built up our presence, prior to the actual invasion? During this time, we know there was massive involvement by 3 national forces, in and around Iraq. I believe what the documents would show, would be the fingerprints of Russia, France and China, as they actively went into Iraq and removed entire factories/laboratories and munitions from Iraqi soil.

This is mere speculation, mind you, but the international reprocussions, let alone the the reprocussions here (you do remember all of the "French jokes," don't you?) would have been devastating. Perhaps enough to trigger another world war. And that, we simply couldn't have.

Further, the speculation among the (retired) military leadership, is that had we crossed the border and gone into Syria, we would have found those WMD's... Again, with the fingerprints of the above named countries, and we simply stopped short of that, because of the international implications.

There you have it. My wild-eyed meanderings for the year.
 
Thank you Anti...my thoughts exactly. If this information is true, regardless if it old and stale pre 1991 WMDs, they are WMDs, that were supposed to be destroyed under UN resolution. Saddam didn't and hid them instead, he lied, we are justified in the initial invasion. Now for the republicans...we need an Exit strategy...get to work with the democrats, and stop fighting.
 
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