BP for HD?

What if the first round ball hits the assailant right between the eyes?

Seriously, how likely is that, for the average person, under that kind of stress? It is FAR more likely that you have to reload.
 
This is a question out of curiosity, more so than asking for advice or to stir the pot. But I was wondering if anybody uses a BP gun for home defense. I ask because I recently rigged up the holster from the Halloween costume to by bed and found that my makes a good "night stand" holster. And got to thinking: is BP a viable home defense tool? And does anybody use it?

What are your thoughts? I personally think I'd trust a .451 caliber lead ball fired at 10 feet to stop an assailant more than a 9mm FMJ or JHP or a .22LR hollowpoint. Interesting thoughts on this one.

If someone wants to use a C&B for home defense then I say more power to them. Why not have various guns available for use around the house? And if a black powder gun fits into that scenario then that should only be viewed as a plus. There's no doubt that C&B's are a viable option and deploying them as part of an overall home defensive battery is strictly a matter of personal choice and comfort.
LEO's are very well armed with modern pistols and the shots they fire under stress miss the target 80%-90% of the time. So in the end what makes any gun more effective than another?
No one criticizes the Amish for their lifestyle choices, so similarly a C&B is an acceptable, effective and bona fide deadly weapon, and people who choose them know full well what they're doing and what their capabilities are.

The info. below is contained in post #29 in the following thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=255957&highlight=45-70

Hi
Ed Sanow published a list of cap & ball .31, .36 & .44 round ball versus modern calibre one shot stops in the Feb 1998 copy of Handguns. I have pasted it but it's a bit messed up.

Regards,
kologha


Cap and Ball Ballistics

By Ed Sanow

Handguns February 1998

Cap and Ball Wound Ballistics


Calibre
Firearm
Bullet
FFFg
Velocity
Energy
1 Shot Stop

.31 Pocket
Baby Dragoon
46gr RB
11gr
821 fps
69 ft lb
30%

.36 Navy
Colt 1851 Navy
70gr RB
22gr
1038 fps
189 ft lb
59%

.44 Army
1861 New Army
141gr RB
35gr
935 fps
274 ft lb
75%

.44 Walker
1847 Walker
141gr RB
60gr
1287 fps
519 ft lb
87%


.44 Calibre RB Ballistics



0.44
1860 Sheriff
141gr RB
30gr
756 fps
179 ft lb
59%

0.44
1861 New Army
141gr RB
35gr
935 fps
274 ft lb
75%

0.44
Ruger Old Army
141gr RB
40gr
1031 fps
333 ft lb
79%

0.44
1848 Dragoon
141gr RB
50gr
1181 fps
437 ft lb
85%

0.44
1847 Walker
141gr RB
60gr
1287 fps
519 ft lb
87%


Cap and Ball versus Modern Cartridges

.31 Pocket
Baby Dragoon
46gr RB
11gr
821 fps
69 ft lb
30%

.22LR
Revolver
37gr LHP
FL
975 fps
78 ft lb
29%

.36 Navy
Colt 1851 Navy
70gr RB
22gr
1038 fps
189 ft lb
59%

9mm S
Semi Auto Pistol
88gr JHP
FL
1000 fps
189 ft lb
59%

.44 Army
New Army
141gr RB
35gr
935 fps
274 ft lb
75%

.44 Spl
Revolver
200gr LHP
FL
810 fps
292 ft lb
73%

.44 Walker
Walker 1847
141gr RB
60gr
1287 fps
519 ft lb
87%

.41 Mag
Revolver
175gr JHP
FL
1250 fps
608 ft lb
89%
 
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Thanx arcticap, goes to show that even tho they are antiquated & obsolete that those old fashioned C&B Revolvers can in fact in the right experienced hands if need be potent enough to defend one's life but again as I said, that'd be as a secondary firearm to what I already have in my arsonal.
 
I keep my 1858 uberti in my night stand loaded for self defense but I also shoot this gun every two weeks and clean and service it constantly. I think if a person takes the time and trouble to be proficient with a black powder pistol they can make great self defense weapons. Now days with ammo being so hard to get a hold of its nice to own a black powder firearm because you can always find percussion caps and black powder or black powder substitutes for them. As far as reloading is concerned watch pale rider!:D
 
.........you can always find percussion caps and black powder or black powder substitutes for them.

Black powder can be found around here, but percussion caps are right up there with primers as far as rarity. Around here it's better to stick with flint locks for the time being;)
 
I can buy primers where I grocery shop... and I don't grocery shop at Wal-mart.

Anyway, I noticed Arcticap's list of stats was used to argue both ways... interesting turn of stats. Thanks CNN style Stat usage.
 
...but percussion caps are right up there with primers as far as rarity.
Get yourself a forester tap o cap

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It is desgined to work with cap gun "roll caps" Which I hear work fine. I haven't got one yet but I do reload my own large pistol primers, with strike anywhere matches It works well, but compound fromthe matches draw moisture. I just pop them in the food dehydrator overnight and they are good as new.
 
Anyway, I noticed Arcticap's list of stats was used to argue both ways... interesting turn of stats. Thanks CNN style Stat usage.

Actually, Raider2000 and I did not present opposing views and were not arguing both ways. He played off my post in order to argue that the guns are viable for home/self defense and I completely agree with that, in spite of all his caveats. The stats, however, don't show that the BP guns are particularly good, certainly not being better that modern loadings for comparable calibers when comparable at the one-shot level. That certainly doesn't mean you can't blast away at an intruder. Simonkenton and one other here seem to believe that BP guns have a lethality that is better than modern guns and cartridges and that just does not seem to be the case.
 
I don't think that BP revolvers are more lethal but only that they can be made to work effectively if needed.
The stats are just what's available for comparison.
Granted the 88 grain bullet in the 9mm loading is somewhat deceptive. But the deterrent factor, shot placement and the simple fact is that not every burglar or intruder is armed and desiring a gunfight.
In the end a gun is a gun, it's man against man, who is going to shoot first and where will the bullet hit?
 
I'm new to this and trying to figure the stats out. What is "1 Shot Stop" and how would that figure be obtained?

Also, does one of the numbers on these figures address the likelihood that the bullet would go through the recipient and into someone (or something) behind them? I'm thinking that might be an important consideration in home defense, since I have other family members in other parts of the house that could conceivably be behind the intruder.
 
The figures don't really address that except by inference by showing figures for some of the .44 cap & balls being downloaded with less powder.
IIRC the NYC PD started using hollow points in their .38 Specials during the 1990's because of the number of pass throughs using solid round nose [158 gr.] bullets. And they use 9mm hollow points too.
 
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Double Naught, you said it shows they're nothing special and then Raider said that it shows they can be used for home defense, neither of you contradicted each other, but you used the same stats to come to conclusions that seemed counter to one and other. I just thought it was funny.
 
If you notice my signature I have BP revolvers & rifles, .22 revolvers & rifles, centerfire pistol and cartridge shotguns. All are loaded and kept in various locations all over my house. I do not carry a weapon when I am in my house, I figure I can get to one if it be needed. My cap & ball revolvers just give me more guns to use if needed. they are just part of the overall defense strategy.
 
If you notice my signature I have BP revolvers & rifles, .22 revolvers & rifles, centerfire pistol and cartridge shotguns. All are loaded and kept in various locations all over my house. I do not carry a weapon when I am in my house, I figure I can get to one if it be needed. My cap & ball revolvers just give me more guns to use if needed. they are just part of the overall defense strategy.

I guess I better call first, before I stop by to say Hi.;)
 
As the king of thread derailers, let me say that the old SxS black powder shotgun in my home office has two 12 gauge 00 buck shells loaded and ready to go.

I figure that if I somehow miss, the mighty boom, smoke, flame and bits of burning detritus will send the perp scampering. And as a side benefit, the smokescreen will give me cover!

OK, back to your stats and stuff. My fun is over.
 
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