BP for HD?
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If someone wants to use a C&B for home defense then I say more power to them. Why not have various guns available for use around the house? And if a black powder gun fits into that scenario then that should only be viewed as a plus. There's no doubt that C&B's are a viable option and deploying them as part of an overall home defensive battery is strictly a matter of personal choice and comfort.
LEO's are very well armed with modern pistols and the shots they fire under stress miss the target 80%-90% of the time. So in the end what makes any gun more effective than another?
No one criticizes the Amish for their lifestyle choices, so similarly a C&B is an acceptable, effective and bona fide deadly weapon, and people who choose them know full well what they're doing and what their capabilities are.
The info. below is contained in post #29 in the following thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=255957&highlight=45-70
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Double Naught Spy
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Thanks arcticap. So there is nothing magical about cap and ball being super duper extra strong lethal stuff after all, huh? Imagine that.
Raider2000
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Thanx arcticap, goes to show that even tho they are antiquated & obsolete that those old fashioned C&B Revolvers can in fact in the right experienced hands if need be potent enough to defend one's life but again as I said, that'd be as a secondary firearm to what I already have in my arsonal.
I keep my 1858 uberti in my night stand loaded for self defense but I also shoot this gun every two weeks and clean and service it constantly. I think if a person takes the time and trouble to be proficient with a black powder pistol they can make great self defense weapons. Now days with ammo being so hard to get a hold of its nice to own a black powder firearm because you can always find percussion caps and black powder or black powder substitutes for them. As far as reloading is concerned watch pale rider!
SigP6Carry
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I can buy primers where I grocery shop... and I don't grocery shop at Wal-mart.
Anyway, I noticed Arcticap's list of stats was used to argue both ways... interesting turn of stats. Thanks CNN style Stat usage.
Anyway, I noticed Arcticap's list of stats was used to argue both ways... interesting turn of stats. Thanks CNN style Stat usage.
Get yourself a forester tap o cap
Double Naught Spy
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Actually, Raider2000 and I did not present opposing views and were not arguing both ways. He played off my post in order to argue that the guns are viable for home/self defense and I completely agree with that, in spite of all his caveats. The stats, however, don't show that the BP guns are particularly good, certainly not being better that modern loadings for comparable calibers when comparable at the one-shot level. That certainly doesn't mean you can't blast away at an intruder. Simonkenton and one other here seem to believe that BP guns have a lethality that is better than modern guns and cartridges and that just does not seem to be the case.
I don't think that BP revolvers are more lethal but only that they can be made to work effectively if needed.
The stats are just what's available for comparison.
Granted the 88 grain bullet in the 9mm loading is somewhat deceptive. But the deterrent factor, shot placement and the simple fact is that not every burglar or intruder is armed and desiring a gunfight.
In the end a gun is a gun, it's man against man, who is going to shoot first and where will the bullet hit?
The stats are just what's available for comparison.
Granted the 88 grain bullet in the 9mm loading is somewhat deceptive. But the deterrent factor, shot placement and the simple fact is that not every burglar or intruder is armed and desiring a gunfight.
In the end a gun is a gun, it's man against man, who is going to shoot first and where will the bullet hit?
I'm new to this and trying to figure the stats out. What is "1 Shot Stop" and how would that figure be obtained?
Also, does one of the numbers on these figures address the likelihood that the bullet would go through the recipient and into someone (or something) behind them? I'm thinking that might be an important consideration in home defense, since I have other family members in other parts of the house that could conceivably be behind the intruder.
Also, does one of the numbers on these figures address the likelihood that the bullet would go through the recipient and into someone (or something) behind them? I'm thinking that might be an important consideration in home defense, since I have other family members in other parts of the house that could conceivably be behind the intruder.
The figures don't really address that except by inference by showing figures for some of the .44 cap & balls being downloaded with less powder.
IIRC the NYC PD started using hollow points in their .38 Specials during the 1990's because of the number of pass throughs using solid round nose [158 gr.] bullets. And they use 9mm hollow points too.
IIRC the NYC PD started using hollow points in their .38 Specials during the 1990's because of the number of pass throughs using solid round nose [158 gr.] bullets. And they use 9mm hollow points too.
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SigP6Carry
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Double Naught, you said it shows they're nothing special and then Raider said that it shows they can be used for home defense, neither of you contradicted each other, but you used the same stats to come to conclusions that seemed counter to one and other. I just thought it was funny.
Gaucho Gringo
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If you notice my signature I have BP revolvers & rifles, .22 revolvers & rifles, centerfire pistol and cartridge shotguns. All are loaded and kept in various locations all over my house. I do not carry a weapon when I am in my house, I figure I can get to one if it be needed. My cap & ball revolvers just give me more guns to use if needed. they are just part of the overall defense strategy.
madcratebuilder
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I guess I better call first, before I stop by to say Hi.
As the king of thread derailers, let me say that the old SxS black powder shotgun in my home office has two 12 gauge 00 buck shells loaded and ready to go.
I figure that if I somehow miss, the mighty boom, smoke, flame and bits of burning detritus will send the perp scampering. And as a side benefit, the smokescreen will give me cover!
OK, back to your stats and stuff. My fun is over.
I figure that if I somehow miss, the mighty boom, smoke, flame and bits of burning detritus will send the perp scampering. And as a side benefit, the smokescreen will give me cover!
OK, back to your stats and stuff. My fun is over.