Bought a copy of Braveheart

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Futo Inu

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and watched it again. This is the best danged movie I've ever seen!(except maybe Rudy)

"Robert the Bruce" is the narrator, and at the beginning he states that most will say I'm a liar, but history is written by those who hang heroes.... Interesting. I love this movie. FREEEEEEDOMMM!!!!

Also rented "The Thin Red Line". Good but disturbing - I like Private Ryan better. TTRL paints a very grim picture of war, so prob more realistic - no happy ending. The fighting is for Guadalcanal in WWII. I like the way the camera always showed the soldier's point of view - not the view from above very much - so it was almost too realistic -It scared me to see those tracers coming "my" way. Not sure if I liked the surreal glimpses of the movie, though it was well done.
 
Ryan was a pretty good movie. Hanks sucks. It would have been much better with Keith Carradine or Powers Booth. And that Yuppie coward that shot the German Prisoners because he did not want to be found out irked me. I guess the part that bothers me is that I could see a mutton head like Hanks letting a German Prisoner go, but would someone that stupid still be alive and in charge of a line unit. I mean if someone told me F Hitler I would fall for it wouldn't you. Like this Kraut didn't look hard core.
Braveheart was a great movie. Most of my ancestor's came from Ireland and Scotland and so I have a love for these people and hold British Royalty in great disdain.

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Brave Heart is one of the best movies ever.

As you know - that was battle cry for a long time...


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"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

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Don't get me started on SCottish History and Heritage unless you still want to be reading this post until sometime next week.

In short, I come from Clan Wemyss which is a sept of Clan MacDuff. It was MacDuff that struck the fatal blow to MacBeth which allowed Malcome Canmore to take the throne. Since then, it has been Scottish tradition that the Earl of Fife (now known as the Duke of Fife), head of the Clan MacDuff, to place the crown on the King of Scots. It was a MacDuff who placed the crown on the head of Robert the Bruce.

I spent all day Wednesday in the Scottish Tartans Museum & Heritage Center in Frankilin, NC. www.scottishtartans.org
They have a display of weapons there belonging to my clan. If you go to my site at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/legacy38 and go to the photos section, you can see a pick of them in the Wemyss and MacDuff album.



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"God grants liberty only to those who love it and are always ready to guard and defend it." --Daniel Webster
 
Three cheers for Braveheart. Mel Gibson is one of the few Hollyweird stars who understands what the NWO is about and has been quoted on this subject. Sean Connery is another great guy from Hollyweird and has been fighting for Scottish autonomy. Yes, The Thin Red Line, I thought, showed war and its victims (soldiers and others) in a more realistic light. Very depressing movie BEcause WAR IS DEPRESSING. Saving Private Ryan, although D day scenes were very realistic, left me feeling detached from the soldiers being portrayed. One felt close to the GI's in TTRED LINE. The movie,however, is a bit loosely based on the novel of the same name which itself is based on James Jones experiences as a Army GI on Guadacanal during latter battles with Japanese. Yes, the Army did more of the fighting on GD. canal than the more famous Marines and suffered more casualities. The movie didnt follow the novel completely,but I liked it. I was really moved by The thin Red Line. Ithink Speilbergs Liberal views came out in Saving Private Ryan. The scene where the coward shoots the unarmed German prisoner says something about Spielberg ,but it cant be flattering. Another scene where the Jewish GI is running down the line of German POWS shouting Jude, Jude, was strange to me. This scene was not realistic at all. Saving Private Ryan got all these great reviews,but The Thin Red Line was a much better movie in my view.
 
Care for a woman's perspective on both movies??? If not... scroll down fast cuz yer 'bout to git it anyway.

Private Ryan - had to see the movie because a)husband is military (I think it's a requirement)
b) son's name is Ryan, and since he was born we've called him "Private"

For the first 30 seconds, I stayed and watched, but when the sound and sight of soldiers being silently executed started to make me numb to the brutal reality, I had to leave and focus on something else. I don't want to become numb to the idea of lives being lost. I came back when the plot began. Enjoyed the rest of the movie, especially the sticky bombs.

BraveHeart - what can I say? Mel, a beautiful woman, a love story and enuf violence to keep my husband interested. Now, that's a movie for the whole family. It always takes me a while to get used to the brogue, but then when you start to undertand it, it's probably the most attractive form of english(?) I can imagine. It certainly racks up there with the aussie accent... nothing perks up my day more than when my "down unda" customers call me to say "g'day Geray"

Two thumbs up for both movies... Thin Red Line is on Dish on Demand... may rent it out of boredom tonight.

Geri Weaver

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The two battles of William Wallace, Battle of Cambuskenneth Bridge and Falkirk were not accurately reenacted. Great battle scenes and it doesn't detract from its entertainment value, but just inaccurate.

I also believe that by the time of William Wallace, the Scots had also discarded the practice of painting their bodies and face (very popular in the time of Boadicea).

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Paul, Just to clear up some historical accuracy. There were times when the allies were moving so fast that they couldn't spare the manpower to accompany german POWs to the rear. They stripped them of all arms and sent them to the rear, usually they sent them in groups. Yep it's true, got it directly from Dad, and believe you me, he was there... the stories he's told.

I am currently going over his letters home, and some of the stuff he wrote just before he passed away (he was working on his memoirs) and as soon as I can I'm going to put them on the 'net ... originals and all.

I sure wish he had hung onto those 'grease guns' he had sent home...

Loved "Pvt Ryan", unfortunatly I saw it shortly after he died, and sat there in tears from the point they came upon the radar mount on. I am hoping to rent the other one either this weekend or next.
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I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! RKBA!



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Braveheart battle scenes I agree are good but besides that its a load of crap. AS for historical accuracy in the movie there is virtually none.
Had they renacted the real battles it would have been better.
It wish the Scottish would stop whining about the English. They murdered and slaughtered each other all the time. e.g The infamous slaughter of the McDonalds by the Campbells.
(I havetwo lots of McDonald ancestors,plus English and Irish ancestors)
Read some history books for once -the whole continent was little groups fighting each other all the time.
I think the real history not the Hollywood version is much more interesting. All those tartans people wear and you can look up in books. Well they are load of crap too. They became popular in the 1800's and don't bear any resemblence to what they really wore.
I want a movie about Culloden - now that's a way to teach the Scotss a lesson. True they went a bit far.
Mel Gibson is no friend of gun owners. Sure he believes in some fruitcake conspiracy about the pope but he doesn't support gun owners.
 
All,
Yes, I mean "all".

We've been down similar roads in the past and gentle debates have become nasty. Let's discuss and debate, but let's keep it clean this time, ok?
 
I see your point about returning prisoners to the rear. I guess what irked me was the way the FNG seemed to sway the patrol into letting the prisoner go. I didn't get the impression from the movie that this was SOP. The cohesiveness of the unit seemed to unravel at this point. But you learn something new every day. Thanks for the insight. Prayer for your father. PM

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I'm not a great Hanks fan, but I think the casting was perfect in this case. Spielberg wanted someone who was not a warrior type (a schoolteacher), dedicated to doing the job and, yet, torn by the horror of the acts he was ordering. Tom Hanks fits the bill perfectly...the character was not supposed to be an action hero in the traditional sense.

As for not executing the German, the battle rush had worn off and these were now just a group of exhausted GI's...farmers and teachers, not SpecOps people. Add to this the fact that orders were probably less questioned in the pre-Vietnam era and I could see the events unfold as they did.

Great movie.
Rich
 
Ivan, with all due respect, let me point out a couple of things brought to my attention:

1. Via TFL, Sean Connery is an anti-self defense fool. Believe me, it saddens me to say so. Do a search on TFL re: good ol' Sean. He was happy to stand in the blood of those poor kids in Dunblane, Scotland, and use that tragic incident to encourage Brit's to ban handguns. You can find that ad somewhere on the 'net - do the search. Unfortunately, Sean is an SOB.
2. And, the 'independence' party good ol' Sean supports is the Scottish National Party - see http://www.snp.org.uk/ . Now, I haven't checked in a while, but last time I did investigate them, they were a bunch of screaming socialists. Scottish socialists, yes. But, screaming socialists just the same. Made me ashamed of the Scot's.

Braveheart was a great movie. I'd be very curious to know what Gibson's true philosophies are. But that thirst for freedom seems to have died somewhere back in Adam Smith's time I suspect. Keep your sword hidden. ;)

Regards from AZ.
 
legacy38: Thanks for that info and links.

And nice to see a fellow Clansman! Any history lesson you want to teach, I am listening.



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"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

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I'd like to address the historical accuracy of Braveheart.

The movie was actually pretty accurate. Sure the battle scenes were not dipicted as they actually happend. The battle at Stirling was fought at a bridge.

Some things were out of sequence. Edward I did hang a group of Scottish Nobles, but it happened after Wallace was grown, not as a boy. Wallace did trap English soldiers inside buildings and burn them alive, but it wasn't as depicted in the movie. As he approached a town, one of the townspeople warned him that a trap had been set for him. The woman went through the town and marked all of the buildings with the English hiding inside. Wallace and his men then went through the town burning those buildings.

The English did kill Wallace's wife to get to him; however, the affair with the Princess of Wales is totally unsupported.

All in all, I thought that the movie was very well made and was as close to accurate as Hollywood can get. However, it doesn't tell the entire story of the war. Wallace was executed in approximately 1297. Robert the Bruce didn't obtain a final treaty ending the war and gaining recognition of his crown until 1329.

One thing you should all check out is the Declaration of Abroath. It is a document that Bruce supporting nobles wrote and sent to the Pope. Thomas Jefferson used it as a guide to writing the Declaration of Independence.

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Rabbit Assasin, I dont mean to flame anyone ,but your statement that the Bristish "went a little too far" after the Battle of Culluden is a big understatement.Because the Highlanders would not turn over Bonnie Prince Charles, the British Army basically devestated the Highlands and its peoples. The lucky ones were able to flee to new lands ,but those who remained lost their lands to English Lords. No more free Highlanders. I guess you can say it was the spoils of war. Also, I bet if Bonnie Prince Charles would have won the war and deposed the German George I, the people of England and Scotland would have had a much better monarchy and the history of the British nation would have been much different. The entire George line were hard core aristocrats,stubborn, and uncaring for the people. Also didnt realize Sean Connery was anti firearm and that the Scottish National Party was a bunch of socialists. I do notice that whenever a nationalist party gets strong in Europe, like Le Pens National Front, the NWO wheels out its propaganda against any Nationalist parties.
 
Historical inaccuracies aside, the story and emotional theme of the movie are quite valid in the terms of the struggle and sacrifices required for freedom-even mythical freedom. I found the final execution scenes to be almost unbearable in my mind. While stumbling across some documentation on "ancient" British criminal punishment, I learned that at the time of our Founding Fathers the crime of treason, if these men had been returned to England and given the full treatment, consisted of hanging short of death, disembowlment, and subsequently drawn and quartered. These wealthy men were aware of their potential fates when they put their names to some hallowed documents.
 
I don't think that had Bonny Prince Charlie and the Jacobites been victorious that he would have set about to destroy English culture. Remember, he was the rightful king of both countries and George I had absolutely no right to the Scottish throne.

The Scottish and English royal families were merged under the Treaty of the Crowns with the heirs of each crown marrying. George I had no blood relation the the Scottish royal family. All the Scots wanted was a king from our royal line.

After the Jacobite Uprising was put down at Colloden in 1745, George II set out to destroy any vestige of the free practice of Highland tradition.

The Proscription Acts forbid the wearing of a the Tartan by any highlander unless serving in the Black Watch. The Black Watch's mission was to patrol the Highlands and enforce the Proscription Acts. Any Highlander caught wearing the Tartan was conscripted into a Redcoat Regiment and sent to the colonies.

Look at it this way. Suppose guns were finally and illegally outlawed. The Anti groups were then given guns to go house to house in search of people with guns. Anyone caught with a gun would be conscripted and sent to serve as a U.N. Peacekeeper.

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I want to mention one other thing. Has anyone else noticed that the best love stories are NOT in love story/romance movies. Far and away the best love stories are entwined in otherwise great movies in their own right as a drama or some other genre. For example, William Wallace and his wife (don't know how to spell her name - it's kinda odd) in Braveheart - incredible love; DiCaprio and Winslet characters in Titanic - also enduring love; Forrest and Jenny in Gump - compelling love; Costner and his wife in Dances with Wolves; and I might even mention two action films (to a lesser extent): Jamie Lee Curtis and Arnold in True Lies; and Stallone and "Adrian" in Rocky. I have little use for the plethora of love story movies, when you get far more profound and intriguing love stories, plus a lot of good action and drama in some of these all-time greats.

Oh, and speaking of Mel Gibson, and conspiracies, I picked up and considered renting a movie called Conspiracy Theory this weekend with Mel and Julia Roberts, then put it back on the shelf in great haste when I saw it was directed (produced?) by the rabidly anti-gun Richard Donner.

One other semi-interesting tidbit, which was a dubious milestone in my life yesterday: At this same video store outing, I perused for over an HOUR before finally buying Forrest Gump, and renting "The Saint". Then upon getting home and popping in the Saint, I realized that I had rented it and watched it a few months before, and had totally FORGOTTEN that I had seen it. While it's true that I was sleepy I now recall the first time I saw it, I still cannot deny that turning 30 this summer has sped the encroachment of that dreaded disease: CRS. Really liked the Saint, by the way (both times). I find that Elizabeth Shue to be one sexy mama.

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futo inu,
You forgot one,,,,,,quigley down under starring the sharps rifle and tom selleck.....lol...a hi quality love story imo...fubsy.
 
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