Bob Munden vs Jerry Miculek

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I like them both

I enjoy watching them both shoot.

Both talk.

I like to hear what either has to say.

And see what either can do.

I think their shooting and talk complement for their show.

It has never occured to me to take Bob's talk badly at all.

It sound's down home playful to me.

Jerry mostly just shoots with a little explaining.

Both have been and are great shooters.

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holywood style

Yes, both are great shooter no doubt. But the way I see it is Bob Munden would win in a Holywood style fast draw , absolutely. One reason is that the single action revolver gives Bob the edge because there is Nothing faster from the holster than a single action and he is so fast too.
 
I've only seen Jerry shoot on u-tube. Looks very good and quick for what he does. Different style of shooting than Bob from what I can see.

I've seen Bob (and Becky) shoot, in person, several times. Heck we live in the same town.... Must say that in person it is hard to believe what you see (or don't see!). Really enjoy the exhibition.... Much different than seeing it on the 'tube'.....

Bob is kind of entertaining but phony.
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That I have to take exception too. Bob holds 18 unbroken World Records in Fast Draw competition that he set with a real, un-gimmicked, stock-weight, Colt .45 single-action revolver. That is not phony ... that just is.... Let's see you shoot like that.... I certainly can't! Give the guy his due.....

http://www.bob-munden.com/records.htm
 
I like 'em both.
Jerry is kind at heart.
But, I relate more to Bob. We both are good shots with our revolvers from long distances and like to give people a hard time. It is meant to be fun and gest. Some people can be so sensitive :)
 
I find I must post on this thread based upon some very ignorant and mislead statements (not by all). I am very talented in more then my fair share of disciplines as an amateur, but I wish to first discuss fencing, yes sword fighting, but specifically about epee as it was the only true dueling weapon still in use today. It was the real "gunfight" back in the day, and even after it was outlawed they still fought for first blood or forfeiture. My point is that in the Olympics nothing is faster then the tip of a blade of either the foil or the epee at over 200 mph only a bullet is faster!!! I say this because in epee they allow for "simultaneous" scoring so long as the touch occurs within 40 milliseconds of each other, without timing electronics this would be impossible to see with the eye, also the touch must depress equivalent to 1 1/2 lbs of force for at least 15 milliseconds (which is only there to prevent "flicking" of the tips and/or blades). I bring this up because I still see posts complaining that BM keeps harping that we don't understand the difference between 2/100th's of a second and 2/10's of a second, in fact I still see posts that say ".21 seconds" and this is flat out wrong!!! As for JM yes 3 seconds roughly for 12 rounds including a reloading, very impressive, but is it really comparable, not even close!!! BM completes two shots from a single action revolver at two balloons from a draw in under 2/100th's of a second, or in my fencing terms, in under 20 milliseconds!!! To put this in a frame of reference to JM, he is shooting his 12 rounds and reloading in 3,000 milliseconds and we're all astounded by this and make comparisons but it's like comparing Tiger Wood's 2 under at Augusta National in his first pro round of the Masters after shooting a front nine 40 and me shooting a 2 under at the local putt putt course, it's absurd. To put in better context if we assume a 1 1/2 second to 2 second reload, then JM is firing 12 rounds in 1 to 1 1/2 seconds or 500-750 milliseconds for 6 rounds, that's on par with professional paintballers who fire between 9-12 balls per second and make over 6 figures to do this!!! But what about BM, we're talking a rate of 100 rounds per second, and twice the work since it's a single action, plus the draw, plus multiple 8 in targets!!! This is quite possibly the most dominant force in any discipline!!! He holds all 18 Guinness Book of World Records out of 18 possible in this discipline!!! Find me any other athlete of any sport that holds multiple records to start and then holds every single one and never has lost them. He made a Hollywood fable into a world class sport, and then dominated it and also crafts special side arms to handle the rigorous stresses of this task. Put that into your pipe and smoke it for awhile, then if that isn't enough call his number, he'll answer on the first ring and treat you like royalty!!! People talk about arrogance, this is ridiculous, it's confidence and tongue in cheek performing. Jerry is an athlete, Bob is an artisan, he's athlete, craftsman and showman, plus a mentor every year and has stayed with one women his entire life, he's an American legend and folk hero, please, please, please think before you post such disdain for someone who has made this type of thing not only possible but accessible to us all. BM also had over 3,500 trophies and 850 titles before 1995 (I believe these are from memory) so if JM and BM ever squared off with live ammo western style, BM would be able to fire 4 times and re-holster in less time then it takes JM to blink his eyes once. Hope this sheds some light on exactly how mathematically different these two's accomplishments are???
 
I met him once,,,

Just why in hell's name are we taking to bashing Bob Munden? Did he not kiss your little a$$ when you met him - or something like that?
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It's the fact that he wants you to kiss his,,,
I don't like anyone with a "worship me" attitude.

And before you ask,,,
I met him personally at a SASS thing I worked back in 1996.

He acted like a spoiled rock star,,,
And that's no exaggeration.

Aarond
 
roklok said:
He also went to great pains to explain how he was "the fastest there EVER was" and how no one in the old west would have been able to match him.
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Of course, Bob Munden doesn't have to worry about the other guy shooting back at him. I've seen him shoot fast draw, and his "rig" is so specialized that it would never have worked in the real west. Holsters were made to carry sidearms, first and foremost. Munden's holster wouldn't have worked for anyone who had to ride a horse and work for a living.

Between the two named, I'd pick Jerry. And as to who might have been a better (not necessarily faster, but better) shooter with a cowboy single action, my vote goes to the late Joe Bowman. And Joe Bowman was a genuinely nice, humble man on top of being a phenomenal shooter -- unlike Munden, who is as arrogant and unpleasant as they get.

Not only that, Joe Bowman was more than just a stage shooter. Joe was a real American hero:

Twice nominated for "The American Outstanding Handgunner Award" - Combat Infantry Badge - 4 Battle Stars - Bronze Stars - Purple Heart - carried a special Texas Ranger Badge presented by a Governor of Texas and appointed "Ambassador of Goodwill" for the State of Texas by 4 different Governors.

Joe has been on longhorn cattle drives and served as gun coach for movie and TV westerns. Roy Rogers commissioned him to make two different pairs of his famous "Boots of Roses" with sterling silver and gold trim; he made gun leather for Johnny Mack Brown, Jock Mahoney (a famous actor and stuntman) and Sammy Davis, Jr. Sammy bought 2 pair of Joe's famous customized Ruger single action pistols. Robert Duval engaged Joe's shooting and western knowledge for his renowned role as "Gus" in Lonesome Dove.


I'll put Joe Bowman up over Bob Munden any day. Munden might be a few thousandths of a second faster than Bowman was at shooting a balloon, but an overall better shooter? Bowman for the win.

BTW -- TheRealFox, did you ever hear of "paragraphs"? Do yourself a favor -- look it up. It's fascinating concept for making it possible for people to read what you've written.

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He holds all 18 Guinness Book of World Records out of 18 possible in this discipline!!!
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Out of 18 possible? Or 18 out of 18 that currently exist? Is it your contention that there can never, ever, be another category of record established for the "discipline" of trick speed shooting? Of those 18, how many existed before he set them, meaning he unseated a previous record holder, and how many were new records that were created just for him as a result of his stunts?
 
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Aquila Blanca said:
BTW -- TheRealFox, did you ever hear of "paragraphs"? Do yourself a favor -- look it up. It's fascinating concept for making it possible for people to read what you've written.
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Hehe, good point.

But now I have a question for you. Have you ever heard of zombie threads? :D
 
I love em both, Bob is a hoot to watch. A real showman. Jerry is the go to guy though to gget the average combat problem solved.

You need a card split, call Bob. You're in trouble, call Jerry.


Both very talented and practiced shooters though. Would love to meet and talk guns with both, maybe at the same table same time! How awesome would that be?
 
It's a zombie thread, to be sure.

But, it's also in the wrong forum, and was from the very start.

So, A + B = C(losed)

Oh, and by the way, I like them both.
 
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