Blood Thirsty Pack of Dogs

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I have to call B.S by the people trying to defend all dogs. We just had a case (in iowa) where the grandparents pitbulls mauled and killed a toddler which was obviously no threat to the dogs. The animals in question had no history of attack or violent behavior; they simply killed a child because they could. I also knew a sliver german shepard that my uncle had. The dog never showed any abnormal behavior but he attacked my cousin one day when he came home from school for no reason. If any of my dogs ever did something like that , I would kill them myself. Domesticated.....or not, they are still canines and will act like their wild counterparts!
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And the reason a person should have a dog is for it's abilities as an animal, not for looks. People that like pretty dogs, usually can't handle them. In fact, most spoiled dogs, especially the small ones, are more likely to bite. My ex was a dog groomer, and I helped bathe them at times. The big dogs bit less than the small dogs.

As far as your cousin being attacked, were you there? Was your uncle? Kids lie, especially when they know they did something wrong.
 
I have to call B.S by the people trying to defend all dogs.
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Its not "all" dogs, nor is it even "all" of the bad and scary dogs. Just like there are bad people, there are bad dogs, bad cats, bad squrriels, bad.... whatever scares you the most. And please, dont even go near bad klowns. Thats my breaking point.

....the facts are clear, Pitts and Rotts are the most dangerous dogs in America
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Naw, Chiwawa's are the scariest dogs on the planet. Just a hairless rat on acid sitting on that old ladys boob just giving you that "look". You know whats next.....:D


In all the years Ive owned Rotties, and known people who own Rotties, and all of us have kids, and most of us more than one (dogs and kids). Ive never had a kid mauled or attacked by one, mine or friends. The kids do have to learn the way of the pack though, at least until they earn their place in the pecking order. The dogs tend to get bigger faster than the kids, and its always an entertaining few years as they grow up together. Then again, we live with our dogs. I suppose non Rottie people just dont understand. But then again, how could they, they have no experience with them to know. They all seem to have a boat load of horror stories though.

Guns don't shoot on their own.....
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You must be new around here. There are a lot of people here who seem to think Glocks do all the time.

Dont worry, I have a bunch of them too, and like the Rotties, they arent as scary once you actually own and handle them. :D
 
Naw, Chiwawa's are the scariest dogs on the planet. Just a hairless rat on acid sitting on that old ladys boob just giving you that "look". You know whats next.....
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Sorry, I didn't see them on the list of fatal dog attacks. Why are so many people killed by their own dogs which just happen to be Rotts and Pits? Perhaps they have the Rotts and Pits to protect them against the really dangerous chiwawas above and the get confused and just eat their owners instead.
 
Maybe thats it. ;)

Maybe, the people that own the dogs that killed, were people who shouldnt have the dog, or any other item that "may" be dangerous if misused/mistreated.

Also, in the whole scheme of things, the total number (over 20 years yet) of people killed by dogs is minuscule compared to many if not most other causes of death.
 
I suppose non Rottie people just dont understand. But then again, how could they, they have no experience with them to know. They all seem to have a boat load of horror stories though.
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I don't understand a Grizzly bear and I don't want one next door.

Yes, strange everyone has a boatload of horror stories. The stories include real people. I don't care if these people understood the vicious dogs that injured/killed them.

This isn't one in a million stuff either.

1 A Pitbull that belongs to a friend of mine attacked a small child a couple months ago. It grabbed her by the head and shook her until my friends father beat it with a hammer.

2 A Rottweiler attacked a lady I go to church with a couple of years ago. She was over at a friends house and was the last one on the way in from the car. The dog was quickly shot and killed by the owner. But, not before half killing a woman who was in late 50s. She had to have many surgeries and was left with missing fingers, scars and permanent nerve damage.

How many people do I personally know? A thousand? Five hundred? I dunno. Just think how many innocent people these animals injure/kill every year, nationally.

I enforce a very simple policy when one of these animals lays a paw on my property.
 
Also, in the whole scheme of things, the total number (over 20 years yet) of people killed by dogs is minuscule compared to many if not most other causes of death.
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I read on DogsBite.org that 52 Americans were killed by Pitbulls during the years '06, '07 and '08.

Miniscule?

This is a very real problem and until laws are changed, it is a very good reason to have a firearm around.
 
Dog attacks are attacks on humans by feral or domestic dogs. With the close association of dogs and humans in daily life (largely as pets), dog attacks—with injuries from very minor to significant, and severe to fatal—are not uncommon. Attacks on the serious end of the spectrum have become the focus of increasing media and public attention in the late 20th and early 21st centuries.[2] It is estimated that two percent of the US population, 4.7 million people, are bitten each year.[3] In the 1980s and 1990s the US averaged 17 fatalities per year, while in the 2000s this has increased to 26.[4] 77% of dog bites are from the pet of family or friends, and 50% of attacks occur on the dog owner's property.[4]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_attack

Nearly 5 million folks are attacked in the US alone, that is NOT a small number even if the number that die is a relatively small number.

Personally, I don't remember ever seeing a pit or Rotty growing up and it seems like that is all that we see now in so many areas. The fact that nearly 80% of fatal attacks come from family pets most often being a Rot or Pit is not the least comforting. If folks wish to wonder WHY, so be it. But mitigating the clear evidence gets us no where.

Let's look at it from another angle:

Why are the majority of fatal dog attacks from two breeds of dogs, Pits and Rots? Isn't that the real question at hand?
 
I read on DogsBite.org that 52 Americans were killed by Pitbulls during the years '06, '07 and '08.

Miniscule?
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Compared to a lot of things, and over three years, yea, 52 is a minuscule number.

This is a very real problem and until laws are changed...
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Now youre starting on that slippery slope. Might as well put your gun in the list too, dont you think.

Nearly 5 million folks are attacked in the US alone, that is NOT a small number even if the number that die is a relatively small number.

Personally, I don't remember ever seeing a pit or Rotty growing up
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Now thats a nice piece of manipulation there, including the Pits and Rotties in with the 5 million thing in the same breath.

As with most breeds that become "popular", the breed tends to degrade as people try to cash in on it. You loose the "quality" of the breed in the quest for quantity. Go back and look a the trends and I think youll find an increase in problems just like you see with the Pits and Rotties now. Collies, Shepherds, Dobies, Huskies, Labs, etc, all suffered (and still suffer) from being popular. Add to that, people who should not own a dog(and probably shouldnt have kids either), wanting to be cool and have what all their friends have, just make it worse. The best thing that could happen to the Pits and Rotties, is they drop off the popular list.

Why are the majority of fatal dog attacks from two breeds of dogs, Pits and Rots?
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Just like gun deaths, in most cases, the fault of the owner.

Were really not talking "big" numbers here either.
 
SRH78 mentioned that no dog attacks for no reason, and also said a few other things along those lines. That actually may be a true statement, in that dogs have some reason to do what they do, but go back a few pages and read what happened to me. The dogs might have had some reason to act toward me the way they did, but it was nothing that I did, and their reasoning wasn't transmitted to me prior to the attack. All that happened, and happened very quickly, was that I showed up and they made aggressive movements toward me. Luckily, I was armed, or I might not be typing this. Basically, the fact here is that I don't care why they attacked, be it a good reason or a bad reason. They attempted to put teeth on me and I shot them (most of them). And let me restate my feelings on this. I do not care what their reasoning was, and I think I speak for anyone that has been attacked or seriously threatened.
 
I like german shepherds but I think a rott or a pit would make a good guard dog.

What is wrong with having a big dog to "guard" your house? I don't have any thing against Collies or Datamations but they do not have the same intimidation factor as some other breeds that are better suited (even if only by reputation) for guarding you or your home and family.

Don't tell me animals don't ever kill for the fun of it. I have seen whats left after a small pack of wolves kill and entire flock of sheep. They eat what they can but they don't all ways stop killing when they are full.

I have seen cats kill mice and just leave them.
 
Compared to a lot of things, and over three years, yea, 52 is a minuscule number.
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You're kidding right?

We're talking human deaths from one breed of dog.

Compared to what? Cancer, car accidents?

The point is that 52 people died that didn't have too. And countless suffering and injuries.

Pitbulls and Rottweilers:

Cost - Dozens of innocent people being mauled to death every year.
Benefit - Hell if I know?
Solution - Better laws, till then, reliable handguns.
 
About eight years ago I was living in some apartments and I was walking to my car along the narrow concrete path from the front of the apartment doors to the covered carport when my new upstairs neighbor was walking the same path from the carport to the apartments. She was a very attractive, very athletic, petite woman in her 20's. No more than 5'4" and maybe 100 lbs. She was being walked by an adult rott that probably had 30lbs over her if not more. As I passed them on the narrow path the dog reached up and clamped down on my forearm. Now I'm sure in the dog's mind I had done something to warrant this behavior but as this little, tiny woman is failing miserably at trying to pull the dog off all I could think about was why on earth do you own this dog? You can't possible control a dog of this size. I mean look, he's using my arm as a chew toy and you can't even get the dog's head to move when you yank on his chain.

Anyway, I jammed my thumb in it's left eye and it let me go and I only have a small scar left today but I would have to say that in a lot of these pit and rottie attacks, any dog attack for that matter, the owners are mostly to blame for not understanding what kind of dog they have and what special care is needed for the breed.

Every breed is different and while you might be a dog person that doesn't mean you should own any dog you want.

Anyway, back to the OP's question, multiple layer defense is your best option. Don't rely on just a gun in this situation.
 
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Catfishman, during that same three years, how many people died due to alcohol or tobacco?

Cost: easily six figures worth of lives.

Benefit: a buzz?

Solution: do you really want to legislate everything?
 
In my prior post, I mentioned that we always had 10 or 15 dogs at any given time. We never once had a Rottweiler or Pit Bull or any other supposedly aggressive breed except for the one year we had a German Shepherd which, I might add, was pretty decent as a farm dog. That is, he wasn't any more or less aggressive than any of our other mutts.

Those mutts were actually as vicious or moreso than the so called "aggressive breeds" all y'all are talking about.

Domesticated breeds are only vicious if you raise them that way. There is nothing wrong with Rotts or Pits or other mastiffs, Dobies or Shepherds. If you raise them gentle, they will always be gentle.

Likewise, the mutts like we had can be pretty frightening. We never abused ours but they didn't get a lot of hands on loving and they defended their territories with a vengeance.

Which was fine with us, living out in the boonies like we did.

--Wag--
 
There are places on the web to discuss the relative merits of dog breeds but TFL ain't it.

That's all for this one although it stayed more or less on topic more than most dog threads.
 
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