Big, heavy 9mm suggestions ?

CZ fanboy.
I prefer my CZs to the two Sigs I own, P220 and P226. The 97 is superior to the P220 hands down.
Anyways, for a heavy CZ 9mm, you got the Sp01 and more expensive but worth it Shadow 2 and a few others.
You can also look into a P09. Has a polymer frame and about Glock 17 sized. My P09 is an extremely smooth shooter and also one of the most accurate.

You won't be getting Pre B quality of triggers with a decocker.

If you get a Sp01 and than plan on going with a CGW kit, you would be farther ahead on just getting a Shadow 2. Also, the Shadow 2 IMO has a better feeling frame then the Sp01 shadow, its undercut in several locations and has grip checking the Sp01 shadow is just a plain Sp01 frame.
 
ttarp said:
If you don't mind searching for a used gun, the S&W 5906 fits the thread title quite well.
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I hadn't considered a gen-3 S&W, but I should have. I had a CS9 that I regret getting rid of, and a 6904 that ran flawlessly.
I'm gonna look into the 5904/5906.
 
If you like the Beretta and price is a big issue you might want to try (GASP) a Taurus. It's not much of a stretch to find a 92 for $400 new but it might be smarter to find a 99 (the adjustable sights model) used.

Pro: cheaper, the safety works the way a safety should.

Con: Taurus has a reputation for spotty quality control. Taurus has no snob appeal. Taurus customer service has a spotty reputation.
 
I have a Beretta 92F, a S&W Model 59, and a Glock 17L. I've fired the Sig P226, but don't own one. I have no experience with the CZ's you've mentioned.

Based only on my experience and your description of what you're looking for, I would also recommend the Beretta. The S&W 59XX series are also great guns with great triggers, but the Beretta is larger and fits my hand better.

Just an opinion.
 
Didn't read the entire thread to see what's been recommended or not.

For me, the metal 9mm full size pistols that I consider classics and will keep their value are the all metal Beretta 92FS (or any related 92 series), Sig P226, and CZ75b or later.

I have the P226R: aluminum frame, grips can be wider (if yours didn't come with E2 grips and appropriate mainspring) or narrower if it is new or install the E2 parts. The factory single action is nice. Really nice, nicer than a factory CZ75b, or factory SP-01. I installed a Short Reset Trigger and it makes a noticeable difference in reset if you care about that, but it's just for enjoyment, probably wouldn't affect shooting if you practice. Some go with a lighter hammer spring to decrease the DA pull weight as they are over-sprung for reliability worthy of military service. The stock 3 dot sights are pretty big / wide and I like that. **(edit to add detail on the trigger, since I realize I don't like it when someone says something is "nice" without explaining. In single action, there is a distinct wall of resistance. The trigger does barely move pulling across this wall but the release is very crisp in my particular pistol. I can't actually feel the trigger move right before it breaks, I can only see it if I watch it with my eyes. All in all it makes for a satisfyingly crisp single action break that may be stiffer than a 1911 trigger, but crisp. Double action pull is stiffer than the CZ SP-01 but shorter.)

I have a CZ SP-01 Tactical (decocker). Steel frame. The full length railed dust cover does add more weight up front. If I could do it again, I probably would go with the version with the safety. Decocker would be nice for carrying, but I have more suitable guns for carry. The Decocker verison means adding competition parts from CajunGunWorks is more complicated. Factory night sights are like standard Meprolight, a little small / narrow, but pretty standard. Trigger is nothing to write home about, a bit of creep in single action. But single action is relatively light, just not crisp. The reach to the trigger in Double Action is better when placed in half cock. (Sig P226 doesn't have half-cock) It's a rolling double action break, not a distinct wall. But I have a couple other pistols like that so I'm used to that. I got it out of nostalgia and the design, the first pistol I ever shot was a 75b which I hear swings/handles better, but has no rail. The SP-01 is a nice looking pistol, in my opinion. The full rail gives it a pitbull high tech look. Like it should shoot lasers or something.

I don't have a Beretta 92FS, only shot a few. Aluminum frame. Just beware that racking the slide may take some adjusting to avoid decocking or putting the pistol in safe, since it's right where your thumb or index finger might be. The Taurus PT92 would be a very similar version with a frame mounted safety, and one of their better made pistols. Just a bit of risk with Taurus customer service though. I can't comment about the trigger since it's been a while. The 92FS doesn't have a replaceable front sight, it's milled into the slide. You would want a 92A1 to have a dovetail in front to replace the front sight to your liking.
 
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Well, I looked into the Taurus 92....but my concern is the trigger won't be improvable if needed. And. I cant replacevthe front sight with a fiber optic.
But...price is attractive.
 
Is there anywhere you could rent a PT92? I kind of doubt a pawn shop or gun store would have any left in the Coronavirus panic, otherwise that would be the first place to look. Then you'd get a feel for what a worn in stock trigger would feel like.

I think my Sig P226R came in at... 580 online when it was on sale (it was a while ago, but with FFL fee in the low 600's) The CZ SP-01 was a little less, like mid 500's. I understand the attractiveness of the price of the Taurus.

I forgot to mention, before the Coronavirus, I also picked up a used/surplus Israeli Jericho 941 which is based on a small frame Tanfoglio (Italian version of the CZ75), for $300. Steel frame, same slide inside frame design. But replacement parts is a little less straightforward. It started as a single action only, and I forgot exactly what parts I purchased to convert it. It shares parts with a current production pistol, Tanfoglio Stock 2 or 3 I believe, sometimes used for competition. But aside from the conversion parts I didn't do anything else. Similar trigger feel but cheaper. If this pistol is just going to be for fun you could keep an eye out for one, but if someone is going to seriously train with it and use it for home defense, I'd factor in parts availability and non-existent customer support. It takes CZ-SP01 mags and I've swapped the slide stop between the two and it functions.

The magnum research baby eagles are pretty much the current production Jericho 941's, but likely slimmed down. The Jericho 941 was supposed to be able to change barrels and recoil spring to be able to shoot a 41 caliber projectile but the ammo never became popular. Some Baby Eagles are steel frame, some are polymer frame.
 
CZ SP-01 is an amazing gun. I had one until my friend shot it and begged me to sell it to him. Since i have other CZ's too, I sold it to him.

Biggest question is the format. If you like DA/SA guns, then you can't beat the SP01. It's amazing. Perfect for a range or home defense gun.

If you don't like DA/SA, then I'd look at the Sig P320 Legion. Great ergos, great trigger.
 
kymasabe: said:
...I'm thinking....CZ SP-01 Shadow, Beretta 92x Performance, or Sig P320 X-Five Legion...
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My personal choice would be determined by a range shoot-out between the CZ and the Beretta.
 
On a more economical note...

...you may want to consider a Ruger P93DC.

Not overly large, but built like a tank. Soaks up recoil incredibly well.

15-round magazine capacity, DA/SA with decocker, available blued or in stainless steel.
 
Don't discount Tunnel Rat's comment.

DA/SA trigger (generally) do not match reset of the striker fired P99/PPQs or VP9. My P30L had a mile reset. My P-09 had a mile long reset. My PX4 G converted had a longish reset.

So while people talk a lot on gun forums of CZ, my CZ experience hasn't found a better trigger really than a stock PPQ/P99. My SP-01 Tactical had a worse double action and single action than my P99. The single action wasn't amazing in anyway.

That a simple $5 d spring in the 92 improves better than the Sig SRT? That's a comment to think about as the non SRT vs SRT models basic vs big upgrades (E2 grips, etc).

Nothing much heavier or bigger than the 92.

Can go on the cheap and get the Taurus PT92 though price differences have gone down as the 92 has decreased and the PT92 has increased.
 
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It’s not the D spring that changes the reset, it’s the Langdon trigger bar. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. The trigger bar is $67.


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I admit, I thought the D-spring was weight on the double action but didn't want to look :)

92s are too wide for my hand, but you really have to hate them not to find them attractive if you want heavy. Or just hate a slide mounted safety :D
 
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