Big Buck Canned Hunts

As for the original post, I don't believe that high fencing a 2 or 3 thousand acre ranch constitutes a "canned hunt". At least in this state there is plenty of cover, and the wildlife can literally disapear.

Now these small, penned up buck breeding factories that are popping up around here is another can of worms entirely.

like this one I found witha simple google search...

http://www.windy-b-ranch.com/breeders.htm
 
Canned Hunts?advantage Hunts?

Hello Everybody,i Just Couldnt Pass Up This As My First Post In Here.ive Hunted Behind High Fenses(im Not Rich)and Ive Killed Behind No Fences,why ,is Simple When In Rome Do As The Romans Do ,as Long As It Legal.do You Hunt Rabbits With A Dog,do You Hunt Deer With A Dog?do You Choose To Use A Scope Or A Center Fire Rifle,these Are All Choices We Make,all So We Can Make A Clean Ethical Kill,and With So Many Road Poacher Today,you Need A Fence To Keep Them Out .i Know Where Some Of You Are Comeing From On Hunting Over Bait,in Tennessee A Food Plot Is Legal Maybe In New York Its Not,ok Fine Dont Do It,but Remember Before You Choose To Impose Your Choice On Someone Else,stop And Ask Your Self,what If There Was No Hunting At All,and Thats Where We Are Heading Right Now,and With Out The Help Of The Anti-hunters And Anti Gun Folks,we Are Doing A Pretty Darn Good Job Of Looseing This Battle Our Selfs,so Stop,think,and Join Together,one Voice Cant Be Heard ,but Many Will Be Known,thanks For The Moment.
 
King,
I gotta agree on one point: Those people you looked up at the Windy-B ranch are some rotten *&^s of *!@#$es. It will never cease to amaze my how far mankind will stoop out of sheer greed. Just the ariel photo made me want to :barf:
 
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"Find a need and fill it" is pure capitalism and marketing -- just like the narcotrafficantes. What's really sad is that their customers mostly just don't know any better. Might's well go out to a hogpen and shoot the biggest one in it and holler, "Looky what I done!"

From the tone of this thread and many others over these last several years, I think the key for us here is that we strongly believe in EARNING our game critters. We think in terms of the total package of a true hunting experience, including the camraderie, the campfire, the improvements to hunt camp or the building of stands and bunches of other things. It's a quality of life thing, I think. Shooting Bambi is only part of it, not the whole deal.

Art
 
Foreign Concept

Looking at that website, I have to conceed that what kills me, is thinking of deer as livestock, vice a wild animal.

There is a guy up here in Washington on Vashon Island that raises a herd of elk. From what I understand he treats them just like cattle, having them slaughtered and selling the meat through local grocery stores and butcher shops.

It sounds like these guys in Texas provide two different services:

1. They breed big deer and use them to breed does and then sell the pregnant does and fawns to other people to improve 'your herd'. This doesn't sound too different from what folks do with cattle, so this doesn't bother me.

2. They let you come and hunt their deer on their land. They said they have 1600 acres, which isn't small, about 2.5 Square miles, but my question would be, how many deer do they have there, and just how much challenge is there in hunting a deer that has been raised in a pen and fed by people. These deer can't have had a chance to develop much guile or a fear of humans.

Once again....just not my style.

From the tone of this thread and many others over these last several years, I think the key for us here is that we strongly believe in EARNING our game critters. We think in terms of the total package of a true hunting experience, including the camraderie, the campfire, the improvements to hunt camp or the building of stands and bunches of other things. It's a quality of life thing, I think. Shooting Bambi is only part of it, not the whole deal.
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Although, sometimes I draw a doe tag, so what I'm really looking for is Bambi's mother.
 
I think in real hunting the animal must be respected, like the game of baseball. You can not buy your way to the big leagues and I believe you should not be able to buy your way to big game hunting.

For all the arguements about working too hard and too long, I disagree. You have vacation. use it. I do not have vacation as I own my own business, I plan very hard to make sure that I have the time to go hunting. It is foremost family time, both kids hunt, about the only time I see my nephews anymore is at the deer shack. Same with my brother and his brother in law, The guys who have the property down river from us are from all over the country, They all take time to make it an event. Every Friday night before the opener we all go to a little Inn and have dinner together and catch up. This has been going on since before I was born, Old-timers no longer with us are remembered, young ones are introduced to the hunt. Every one is respected, even when being joshed about missing the "big one" while (pick one) sleeping, snoring, eating, taking a dump, etc.
Arrangements are made to bring venison to those not able to show up, either due to illness or age, it is family time. We have maybe 9 hunters, 3 of whom of women and are clamouring for exclusive use of the bunk house next year, the other group has 12 to 14.

I get tired of people who claim they are too busy to do the important things. For me it is an excuse, a reason to be lazy.

For the guys who complain the difference between a feeder and feedplot, The feedplot will last all year. The feeders only as long as someone thro;s corn in it. I have planted pear, apple, crab apple, northern white oak, popple, winter hardy strawberry, blueberry and high bush cranberry, We have planted thickets of spruce and white pine, All for the next generation. I hunt on land owned for 100 years. we are constantly manipulating the balance. wood gets cut for firewood and lumber, trees planted by my sister in laws great grandfather, (last year I made a cradle out of a Sugar Maple planted in 1905) for a great great great daughter of the man who planted it...

The kid in grad school NYC who had never been able to drive a car, that is fine, but before he goes all out let him spend a few falls in the finger lake region hunting white tail, he will be much more appreciative of what comes later. And more than likely he will change his whole mind set on what happens north and west of Manhattan...

I know a few people who have gone on canned hunts, two came back as anti's as they just saw it as slaughtering an animal for fun...it took me a couple of years to convince the one to just go bird hunting with us once, to let them realize what they had experienced was not hunting it was killing.

When culling needs to happen, I understand that. but call it that. I have spent many days out culling geese of golf courses. Canadian geese are smart and when they find a fenced, predator less, heavily maintained 500 acre lawn to eat they tend to stay. The problem comes when they eat so much grass loaded with all sorts of chemicals that the offspring begin to look like the banjo player from Deliverance. We shot one this spring with three legs...
 
I've had it with all the b*tching and moaning on this thread. You sound like a bunch of 13-year old girls.

Guys! We're all on the same team here. Regardless of whether or not you prefer canned hunts or hiking 2 miles in a foot of snow to fill your fridge or hang a 10-point on the wall, we need to remain united on one thing: Preserving our right to hunt and own firearms. The are individuals groups at work in this country who would like nothing more than to ban hunting all together and call your Remington 700 a "sniper rifle". There is also a movement to restrict hunting on public land and private land. So, count your lucky stars that you are blessed to be able to participate in your "hunt".

-gunslinger
 
gunslinger, I doubt anybody disagrees with your closing statement. Howsomever, "canned hunt" has a specific legal meaning in Texas, particularly with respect to aged zoo animals (lions, etc.); such canned hunts are illegal. For other, legal-game, animals, it's a moral issue for us. It concerns the whole fair-chase issue that's at the heart of Texas game laws.

It seems to me that discussion of the morals and ethics of hunting is indeed worthwhile. In the larger context, it's my own belief that it's a shame that so many parents not only don't discuss morals and ethics with their kids, on all manner of subjects, they apparently don't even understand the concept.

Art
 
Well said Art,

I've always told my children to remember when raising theirs, 'You only raise your children until about the age of 12 years old, after that, they are only a product of the way you raised them".

If you don't teach your children the ethics and morals in ALL things, including hunting, then there is no way they will ever learn them.

In todays world there are a lot of kids running around that will be tommorrows bandits, simply because they lack the morals that should have been taught to them by their folks. There's to many children raising children now-a-days.
 
I'll second you all about the raising of children. I was a child with a child myself, but I'm doing my best. She's 10 now, and already Daddy's little huntin' and fishin' partner. She's sits on pins & needles all fall waitin' for her turn to hunt. Then around Chrismas we start hunting cottontails.

If you get in my car with your action open she'll give you an ear full, too! Also, a friend of mine was going to shoot a cottontail durring the summer (it's legal) while we were fishing, and she gave him a short lecture on how it was better to leave it for seed, and how it could have babies at this time of year. Most kid that age would pull the trigger themselves. I was so proud!


Say Gunslinger1911ACP,
Just to set things straight you DO NOT have a right to hunt. This is a ploy used by the left to demonize military style guns. Or at least anything they feel like labeling "military" style. YOUR RIGHT is to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, so that the people may be granted the means to overthrow a tyranical government. Hunting, and it DEEPLY pains me to say this, is only a privlege. Privleges can be taken away. Rights cannot.
 
Point taken.

I was unaware of the hunting of zoo animals in Texas. If that is a 'canned hunt', then I'd agree those types of hunts should not be allowed.

My reference to canned hunts was a bit different. There have been some comments on this thread and others that indicate to me, climbing in to a deer stand on a high-fence South Texas ranch at 5am and waiting for a 10-point to make his way along a sendero to a corn feeder is not hunting. I disagree.
 
Corn! Oh sure, I bet that stuff is just everywhere in the desert. How could corn possibly create an artificial attractant, what with all that other high nutrient feed deserts are so famous for?

No, that's not "canned" (assuming a large area in the fence), but is it really "fair chase"? I'm gonna go with a very large NO on this.

If you really want fair chase in a High Fence, agree that noone is to set foot within 1/2 mile of the fence. NOW the animal can have an escape route.
 
Aw, now, whoa up, samsmix. Getcha a piece of paper and a crayola. Draw a square as a representation of a high-fenced pasture. Figger it's some couple of thousand acres of rolling brush country. The brush ranges in height from four to ten feet. The shorter stuff is on the hilltops; it's thick and taller down in the draws. Walking around, visibility ranges from ten feet to maybe an occasional two hundred yards.

You're the only hunter inside this pasture.

What difference does it make to a deer WHERE you are? One jump and he's outta sight, whether you're in the Great Big Middle or somewhere along the fence. It's not wide-open grasslands.

Lemme say this: The "feeder thing" has been beaten to death, here. It's purely opinion, one group feeling one way, another group feeling another. I bet that there are more feeder-hunters than there are people in the whole state of Montana, when you figure Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, etc., etc. You wouldn't otherwise see all those feeder-ads and stand-ads in all the hunting magazines. It's "different strokes for different folks".

And nobody is forcing anybody to hunt over a feeder. Those of us who'd rather not hunt that way, like you and me and others here, don't have to.

:), Art
 
I have only been hunting a few time and do not now because of the next-to-impossible difficulty of doing so. I do know several enthusiastic hunters, including family members, but do you think any of them would invite me to go along with them? But that's a different issue.

I think it should be called hunting only if that is what it is. If it isn't, then call it something else. I never heard the expression canned hunt. Guided hunt, yes, and that's what a lot are. A safari is a glorified (and expensive) guided hunt and the only way you can go in most of Africa these days. In Europe they use the terms stalking and also shooting. Shooting especially implies that nothing more than shooting is involved and that is just about the size of it. Stalking involves a little more and no more than a couple of people are involved.

Maybe we should complain about the unfair advantage people have who use optical sights on their rifles.
 
inside the fence

If the animal is fenced in he is there and you know he is. To me it makes a difference. I know that it might not be easy to find him but he isn't leaving, isn't the same at least not to me, but then I have never hunted anywhere but the western US where there are millions of acres of Natl. forest, BLM, or State land we can hunt on. I have been reading this thread and to me sitting on bait is like fishing, ain't the same, hunting inside a fence is not hunting it's shooting or killing. I shouldn't judge cause I haven't been there done that, or lived whewre you had too and hopefully I never will. I guess it's OK for those that do but something about it doesn't seem right to me.
 
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